[From nobody Mon Jan 14 08:17:52 2013 Received: from mailsorter-101-3.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.120) by storefull-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:33:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: <shadow+bounces@dementia.org> Received: from alycia.dementia.org (ALYCIA.DEMENTIA.ORG [128.2.35.149]) by mailsorter-101-3.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id LAA18360; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:33:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alycia.dementia.org (8.9.1a/8.9.0) id OAA24693 for pittsburgh-railways-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.118]) by alycia.dementia.org (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA24689 for <pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org>; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from storefull-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.172]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id EDEC819A98 for <pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org>; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:14:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id JAA13313; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:14:11 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhR8RXwjRFKDtuG7vzFYmUOb1uQ8XQIVAKx0kJA+aYpi9xJeTiFyy4K7pI+6 From: SaturnV@webtv.net (Robert Schmidt) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:14:11 -0500 (EST) To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org Subject: RE: This Last Week Message-ID: <25398-38BFF2E3-104@storefull-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Carl Zager <czager@bloomington.in.us>'s message of Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:41:10 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-9899-58 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org --WebTV-Mail-9899-58 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit CZ: Here's the dimensions of a prototype 4700 low floor car for your Fort Pttt model setup:...and for any other traction modellers on the list: Length over Buffers: 45'-0" Width at Belt Rail: 7'-11" Height, from rail over trolley board: 10'-5" Height, under Sills over trolley board: 9'-6" Truck Centers: 21'-8" Type: Arch Bar Seating Capacity: 59 Misc. Prototype Data: Registers: Sterling Meaker Controller: Westinghse type #29-A Air Brakes: Westinghse S.M.E. Motors: (4) Westinghse #514 - A 30HP Fenders (where equpped): Reynolds Total Car Weight (empty): 33.200 lbs. In the absence of blueprints, and/or drawings on my part, you'll have to trust these numbers and work off some good angular photos of the front/rear/sides of this particular series car. Let the downscaling begin! Bob S. --WebTV-Mail-9899-58 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-8.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.42) by storefull-166.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:45:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: <shadow+bounces@dementia.org> Received: from alycia.dementia.org (ALYCIA.DEMENTIA.ORG [128.2.35.149]) by mailsorter-101-8.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id OAA14468; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:45:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alycia.dementia.org (8.9.1a/8.9.0) id RAA16911 for pittsburgh-railways-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from kirkwood.hoosier.net (kirkwood.hoosier.net [206.106.64.12]) by alycia.dementia.org (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA16907 for <pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org>; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (czager@localhost) by kirkwood.hoosier.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA17309; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:41:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:41:10 -0500 (EST) From: Carl Zager <czager@bloomington.in.us> X-Sender: czager@kirkwood.hoosier.net To: Fred Schneider <fschneider@dli.state.pa.us> cc: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org Subject: RE: This Last Week In-Reply-To: <95C363B0BC40D11197F50000F8222B6F5495E0@clw10001.li-sec.state.pa.us> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10003021653480.13085-100000@kirkwood.hoosier.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org Absolutely, Fred! In fact, our address WAS Bennett Street. And it came in in past Brushton. I think it turned back into Frankston somewhere around the railroad or Washington. I just remember Frankstown Road because that's how we always drove back into Homewood to visit Grandma who lived at 7019 Hamilton Avenue on the 76 route. I think the business district was Homewood Avenue. Sometimes we would take a bus from Laketon Road (we lived on Parkway, near Black Ridge), up over the hill and down into Wilkinsburg. There we'd pick up a trolley that I thought ran down Hamilton through Homewood, through East Liberty and into Pittsburgh. Any thoughts on what route that would've been? The first elementary school I attended was near the intersection of Laketon, Frankstown, and Beulah roads. As more and more folks moved out of the city, the schools couldn't keep up. I went to another Penn Twp. school that was on the road out to Verona. I know it was families like ours that moved out of the PRy service area by the droves that eventually led to the PAT reorganization. But even we only had one car (not like folks today). So, any trips to Pittsburgh were always part way on a trolley. Oh, how I loved the action at the Homewood shops! By the time I was old enough to stop at the Craft Avenue shops, I believe all the low-floors had been replaced by PCC's. Yes, I love the PCC's now, but my fondest memories are of the old orange double-ended low-floors. I really want to find some dimensions so that I can have at least one on my Fort Pitt model line. The whole drama of stopping the car, getting down and cranking the pole down, going to the other end and cranking that one up, guiding it into contact, getting back on and moving the coin box, all the paraphenalia, and the (?) control arm (?) to the other seat in the car. Gosh, that was fascinating to a child. The low-floors were my pre-school years, the PCC's my elementary school years. On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Fred Schneider wrote: > My Mom and Dad built a house in Crescent Hills in Penn Township in 1937; we > lived there until 1949 when a move was made to the east end of the state. > > I think you will find that Frankstown Road became Bennett Street when it > entered the city in Homewood or Brushton. Bennett Street was parallel to > and between Hamilton, on which the 76 cars ran, and Frankstown (???) on > which the 87 and 88 cars ran. I think that there was a very much unused > branch of Frankstown Road that aimed for the 87-88 tracks but the majority > of the traffic used Bennett Street. Back when you and I lived there, > Homewood was a very sedate, blue collar neighborhood. > > We lived in Lancaster when the fire consumed the barn in 1955. I do > remember looking off the Manchester Bridge in 1956 and seeing the burnt > remains of a few cars ... mostly high 1600s and 1700s but not 1600 itself. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Zager [mailto:czager@bloomington.in.us] > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 5:17 PM > To: Jim Holland > Cc: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org > Subject: Re: This Last Week > > Oh, Jim! > > Thank you for the suggestion. I have been jotting down some > memories and > am winding up the courage to jump in here. I know in my > heart that any and > all is appreciated (I certainly have appreciated every > little tidbit > shared in this marvelous group!), but I still want to get my > facts > straight and make sure I know of what I speak. > > Here's an example of my dilemma: During WWII, while Dad was > in the > Pacific, we lived with my great uncle, who worked for the > Great Western > Fuse Company in, I think, Brushton, where I was born. Right > after the war, > when Dad came home, we all moved to a house on Frankstown > Road very near > the car barn. I have these vivid memories of walking out the > back of the > house with "Pop" (my mother's uncle) and down the alley to > watch the > motormen jockeying the double-ended, low-floor cars. I > especially loved > watching them raise and lower the poles when they changed > direction. > > We moved out to the Penn Township suburbs in the late 40's. > When the car > barn burned (1955 (?)), destroying the original 1700(?), Pop > and I took a > bus into Wilkinsburg and a streetcar into Homewood to take a > look. Boy! > Was I turned around! The car barn was south and west (?) of > Frankstown > when I remembered it being behind our house (north and > west). Or do I > still have it all wrong? <grin> > > After that, though, my favorite place to see streetcars > became the car > barn in Oakland. We would get off in Oakland and walk down > to watch for > awhile and then board another car to get to Wilkinsburg. > > Anyhow, you may be sensing some of my confusions. > > Keep it up, guys! I'm having a ball. > > On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Jim Holland wrote: > > > Greetings! > > > > Carl Zager wrote: > > > > > My mailbox has been so interesting for the past week. > > > What wonderful memories and wonderful discussions. > > > This has to be a high point for my short tenure on the > list. > > > Thank you all so much! Keep it up. > > > > How about sharing more of your memories?!! > > > > James B. Holland > > ------- -- --------- > > Pittsburgh Railways Company (PRCo), June of 1949 > -- June of 1953 > > To e-mail *privately,* please click here: > mailto:pghpcc@pacbell.net > > N.M.R.A. Life member #2190; > http://www.mcs.net:80/~weyand/nmra/ > > > > Carl Zager > KB9RVB > czager@bloomington.in.us > http://www.mccsc.edu/~czager > Carl Zager KB9RVB czager@bloomington.in.us http://www.mccsc.edu/~czager --WebTV-Mail-9899-58-- ]