[From nobody Mon Jan 14 08:17:52 2013 Received: from mailsorter-101-10.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.44) by storefull-168.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:39:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: <shadow+bounces@dementia.org> Received: from alycia.dementia.org (ALYCIA.DEMENTIA.ORG [128.2.35.149]) by mailsorter-101-10.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id HAA13318; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alycia.dementia.org (8.9.1a/8.9.0) id KAA12820 for pittsburgh-railways-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:33:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from linux1.pal2.state.pa.us (smtpmail.pal2.state.pa.us [164.156.232.38]) by alycia.dementia.org (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA12816 for <pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org>; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from clw10001.li-sec.state.pa.us (clw10001.pal2.state.pa.us [164.156.237.104]) by linux1.pal2.state.pa.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20122 for <pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org>; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:30:25 -0500 Received: by clw10001.li-sec.state.pa.us with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <CDANF8JH>; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:41:15 -0500 Message-ID: <95C363B0BC40D11197F50000F8222B6F410290@clw10001.li-sec.state.pa.us> From: Fred Schneider <fschneider@dli.state.pa.us> To: "'pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org'" <pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org> Subject: RE: This Last Week Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:41:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org DO NOT EVER ASSUME... THE 175 LOW FLOOR TRAILERS THAT PREDATED THE LOW FLOOR MOTOR CARS WERE BUILT STRICTLY AS SINGLE END TRAILERS WITH A CENTER DOOR ON THE RIGHT SIDE ONLY. THOSE CARS WERE NUMBERED A200 TO A374. A LARGE NUMBER OF THEM WERE REBUILT WITH TWO MOTORS IN ORDER TO RUN IN SIX-MOTOR TRAINS WITH A 4800 OR 4900 LOW-FLOOR CAR. THESE HAD THE A PREFIX CHANGED TO B. SOME OF THEM WERE SUBSEQUENTLY REBUILT WITH HOSTLING CONTROLS SO THAT A LOCOMOTIVE WAS NOT NEEDED TO MAKE UP TRAINS. THOSE CARS WERE RENUMBERED INTO THE "C" SERIES. FOUR CARS WERE REBUILT AS SINGLE-END CE NTER ENTRANCE MOTOR CARS CIRCA 1914 AS A TESTBED FOR THE SUBSEQUENT LARGE FLEET OF LOW-FLOOR MOTOR CARS. THESE WERE THE FIRST OF THE JONES CONTROL CAR4S. TWO WERE SLIDING DOOR CARS, TWO WERE FOLDING DOOR CARS. THESE CARS RETAINED THEIR "A" SERIES NUMBERS INITIALLY. LATER, SINGLE STREAM FRONT DOORS WERE ADDED (I SHOULD NOT SAY DOORS ... I ONLY HAVE PHOTO EVIDENCE FOR ONE OF THE CARS). THESE FOUR CARS WERE LATER RENUMBERED 4400 THROUGH 4423. CAR 4423 LASTED INTO THE LATE 1930S AS AN INSTRUCTION CAR. I THINK ALL THE JONES CARS WERE 45 FEET LONG, BUT THERE WERE DIFFERENCE CLEARANCE DRAWINGS FOR DIFFERENT GROUPS OF CARS. I REMEMBER A BARN MAN AT KEATING TALKING ABOUT HOW THE INFAMOUS BOB BROWN HAD COME IN WITH DRAWINGS SHOWING THAT A 4700 WOULD SEAT FEWER PEOPLE IN THE REAR END THAT OTHER CARS! THIS HAPPENED LONG AFTER ALL THE 4700S WERE SCRAPPED. -----Original Message----- From: Charlesebrown@webtv.net [mailto:Charlesebrown@webtv.net] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 1:02 AM To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org Subject: RE: This Last Week << Message: RE: This Last Week >> Gee, Bob, couldn't you be a bit more precise in your measurements??? :-) Where in the world did you get your information? Seriously, were all of the Jones low-floor cars of the same dimensions? I'm especially curious about any differences between the single-enders vs the double-enders. And the trailers for that matter. I assume that the trailers were straight trailers with no control equipment and were used with the single ended cars? Charlie Charlesebrown@webtv.net ]