[From nobody Mon Jan 14 08:17:56 2013 Received: from mailsorter-101-7.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.41) by storefull-164.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <shadow+bounces@dementia.org> Received: from alycia.dementia.org (ALYCIA.DEMENTIA.ORG [128.2.35.149]) by mailsorter-101-7.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id GAA21623; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alycia.dementia.org (8.9.1a/8.9.0) id JAA02497 for pittsburgh-railways-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f248.hotmail.com [216.32.181.248]) by alycia.dementia.org (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA02492 for <pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org>; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 51869 invoked by uid 0); 5 Apr 2000 13:19:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000405131939.51868.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 164.156.164.133 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 06:19:38 PDT X-Originating-IP: [164.156.164.133] From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler@hotmail.com> To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org Subject: Re: Workcar roster Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:19:38 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org How about F6-F9 for ex-Washington and Canonsburg passenger cars 201-204 as freight cars? And are you sure that trucks were changed? (didn't think so, but will check some early W&C photos against PERC publication tonight) Also, just how long did F8 and F9 survive decaying in Palm Garden Yard (or whatever it was called, officially)? Supposedly off the roster by time PAT took over, but did any of you keep a record of when they were actually cut up and scrapped? Just curious. John S. >From: Jim Holland <pghpcc@pacbell.net> >Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org >To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org >Subject: Re: Workcar roster >Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 03:27:55 -0700 > >Greetings! > > Don't have much in the way of work equipment but Railroad Avenue >Enterprizes (RRE) photo #PN12633 shows an old line car for the >interurbans passing 1703 on the Washington line. The floor of this line >car is about 6-9 inches lower than the belt rail on the PCC! > Also from RRE #PN12670 shows M555 passing 1701 on the Washington line. >The end platforms are lower than the floor over the trucks but this was >standard trolleycar practice at the turn of the century. This appears >to be some kind of small crane car. Neither photo shows the trucks >clearly. > No side frames on the trucks at all? Wheels totally exposed? Wonder >if it was strictly a trailer. > The freight motors F1-F4 were former W&C interurban cars converted and >they probably had their trucks changed out for the wheels under the >freight motor look quite large - at least 33-inch. > Don't forget that while equipment might be set aside for service on the >interurbans, both Charleroi and Washington operated through street >trackage and both used standard trolleycar girder rail for sharp turns >in streets in downtown Washington and in the yard at Charleroi. Those >very large wheels might be difficult on the track. > >Charles Brown wrote: > > > Just a few more notes about the mystery motor flat. It was located at > > the rear of Shannon yard and the bed was notably higher than surrouding > > similar cars. The wheels were at least 33 inch diameter and possibly > > even 36 inches and were not set in arch-bar frames. It did not have the > > usual Eclipse fender. Speculation is that it might have been fabricated > > using one of the old high floor wooden monsters of the 1910-20 era and > > that it might have been used primarily for work on the interurban lines. > >James B. Holland >------- -- --------- > Pittsburgh Railways Company (PRCo), June of 1949 -- June of 1953 > To e-mail *privately,* please click here: mailto:pghpcc@pacbell.net >N.M.R.A. Life member #2190; http://www.mcs.net:80/~weyand/nmra/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ]