[From nobody Mon Jan 14 08:17:57 2013 Received: from mailsorter-101-3.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.120) by storefull-164.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <shadow+bounces@dementia.org> Received: from alycia.dementia.org (ALYCIA.DEMENTIA.ORG [128.2.35.149]) by mailsorter-101-3.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id GAA02913; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alycia.dementia.org (8.9.1a/8.9.0) id JAA28593 for pittsburgh-railways-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by alycia.dementia.org (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA28589 for <pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org>; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pitt.edu (rheum-barry.dept-med.pitt.edu [136.142.108.17]) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID <JAA13653@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu> for <pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org>; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39099419.52320CD8@pitt.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:37:29 -0400 From: mrb190 <mrb190+@pitt.edu> X-Sender: "mrb190" <mrb190@imap.pitt.edu> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org Subject: Re: 62 Trafford - repaving References: <Pine.LNX.3.96L.1000427212321.7469E-100000@dyn03.trafford.dementia.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org No - not boring at all. I remember during the 70's, when Grant Street in Millvale was being being scraped to be re-asphalted, I was surprised to see the tracks fully in tact all the way from the side street where the cars turned up to Evergreen Street (they're still under the asphalt of that side street, too) to the right angle bend at Millvale Park and Mellon Bank. I never had the chance to see the Millvale or Etna cars in action (routes were abandoned about 5-6 years before I was around), so this was surprising for me to see. I figured that routes abandoned long before PAT took over were REALLY abandoned to the point of full track removal. E.g., I grew up in Lawrenceville and knew how quickly the city ripped out the tracks on Butler Street once the 94 & 95 routes were done in. It seemed like after PAT, a once over with asphalt was the way to go in a lot of cases. E.g., not 100% sure, but I think a good bit of the tracks are still under the long stretches of Fifth and Forbes Avenue. So anyway, your post WAS interesting. Matt Derrick J Brashear wrote: > > For what it's worth, one of the Russells (Russell-Standard or Russell > Industries, I think the former) has been repaving PA 130 between the east > edge of Wilmerding and the west end of the Trafford bridge (which of > course replaced the old viaduct the trolley tracks were on) since the > beginning of April. They first scraped the old asphalt, and then put down > a new coat. 2 places (at least) along this stretch the tracks of the 62 > line ran in the street: through the middle of Pitcairn, and coming off the > Trafford bridge. In neither case were rails, or even something looking > like a patch from when railheads were torched off, revealed. Doesn't > surprise me at the Trafford bridge given that that stretch was closed > during bridge replacement around 1976, but given what I did see in > Pitcairn, including some cobblestones, I really expected to see some rails > or evidence of location thereof in the street. > > The "short" Trafford loop using Brinton, 4th and Viaduct Way can be traced > through pavement cracks on Viaduct and 4th, and there's a > between-the-rails sewer grate on the corner of those. > > Probably pretty boring to most of you, but I figured I'd mention it. > > -D ]