[From nobody Mon Jan 14 08:17:57 2013 Received: from mailsorter-101-8.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.42) by storefull-164.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 3 May 2000 16:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <shadow+bounces@dementia.org> Received: from alycia.dementia.org (ALYCIA.DEMENTIA.ORG [128.2.35.149]) by mailsorter-101-8.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id QAA07787; Wed, 3 May 2000 16:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alycia.dementia.org (8.9.1a/8.9.0) id TAA11868 for pittsburgh-railways-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 19:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.supernet.com (smtp1.desupernet.net [204.249.184.44]) by alycia.dementia.org (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA11864 for <pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org>; Wed, 3 May 2000 19:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21294 invoked from network); 3 May 2000 23:46:48 -0000 Received: from 184-142.pm4-2.lancaster.supernet.com (HELO supernet.com) (208.170.184.142) by smtp1.supernet.com with SMTP; 3 May 2000 23:46:48 -0000 Message-ID: <3910BA0B.466FC6AC@supernet.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 19:45:15 -0400 From: "Fred W. Schneider III" <fschnei@supernet.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org Subject: Re: Brill Interurbans 3700--3714 References: <39108547.7108@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org Note Jim that the electrical equipment excludes motors. They were in with the truck weight. I have no weight data for the GE 247 motor, which was used on the Pittsburgh 3700-3714 group. I guess I'm a tad surprised that four motors and gears weigh 9,140 lbs. while four of the comparable Westinghouse 514 machines with gears and gear cases weighed about one ton less! The Pittsburgh Railways car cards for the 3700s show the same 52'-8" length, but the height over the roof was given as 11'-5". Over trolley boards would have to be even more. If you want the width of the body .... 8'-3 7/16" .... they concocted that very precise number; I didn't. I'm not sure if it is with or without paint. Truck centers or body bolsters ... 27'6" You might be interest to know that three surviving car cards (3700, 3707, 3712) all show PR control, meaning Pittsburgh Railways, or more specifically the Westinghouse contractor group form of P. N. Jones control. There is no reference on the cards to the replacement of that control with anything else. There was a note, however, that safety car control was added in July 1930 when cars were converted to one man operation. The Peter Smith hot water heaters appear to have been replaced with electric resistance heaters at the same time. The M-18 brake valves on those three cars were all replaced with M-20AS valves, but I don't know when. There was no mention of a toilet, but since the 3750s had them, there might also have been one in the 3700s ... it requires greater exploration. Anyone want to go to the Historical Society of Pennsylvania and have interior prints made? Jim Holland wrote: > Greetings! > > A friend just sent me this information claiming it comes from Brill > literature. This information is very hard to come by and I hope it is > accurate. > > These 15-Brill interurbans (3700--3714) were 52-feet 8-inches long, > 11-feet 3-3/8-inches high over the trolley boards, and weighed a total > of 49,270-pounds. This weight includes: > > 1)--Car Body only -- 25,000-pounds > 2)--Electrical equipment -- 3,500-pounds > 3)--Air Brake equipment -- 2,300-pounds > 4)--Trucks -- 9,330-pounds > 5)--Motors -- 9,140-pounds > > Apparently the floor ramped down between the trucks to allow for one > less step into the car - center entrance - which allows for smooth > traffic flow. These cars were apparently identified as "center entrance > and *smoking* (I wonder if that refers to their speed!::>>]]) interurban > cars." He said that the back of the car was the main passenger > compartment and that the *ladies* do not have to pass thru the smoking > compartment so I assume that was near the front end - keeping the > motor-person hazy! > > The back seats faced the rear to form an observation platform! The > motorman had his own compartment, and there was a biffy on board! > > James B. Holland > > Pittsburgh Railways Company (PRCo), 1940 -- 1950 > To e-mail privately, please click here: mailto:pghpcc@pacbell.net > N.M.R.A. Life member #2190; http://www.mcs.net:80/~weyand/nmra/ ]