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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Harold, </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have photos but need car plans, any ideas
anybody???</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Greg</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A href="mailto:transitmgr@worldnet.att.net"
title=transitmgr@worldnet.att.net>Harold Geissenheimer</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org"
title=pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org>pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 05, 2000 3:20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Philadelphia PCC retriever
for sale on Ebay</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Greetings
<P>No photos available but these cars have an interesting history. LVT
purchased them but apparently did not realize they were Pa trolley gauge (LVT
was std). Thats why they were sold to Norfolk which was wide
gauge. VEPCO like LVT purchased many second hand cars just before World
War II which allowed them to carry very heavy loads. Norfolk was a navy
and ship building center. <BR>Birmingham, Ala was another system that
purchased many second hand cars. I rode the VEPCO Norfolk routes which
had long sections of PRW as well as Birney cars on the close in routes.
Quite a place.
<P>Best wishes to all.
<P>Harold Geissenheimer
<P>Greg King wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE">Hi Jim,
<P>It's interesting that someone is trying to sell a PCC catcher, I have
about <BR>twenty of them sitting beside my garage, they are genuine Earl
type PCC <BR>catchers, but they were made for us, we used them on our Z3 and
A class cars <BR>till we went to pantographs and I rescued these and their
mounting rings, <BR>been meaning to write to Gemaco to see if they need any.
<P>By the way, do you or anyone else on the list know wher I might get some
<BR>plans of the VEPCO (Norfolk) cars 700-702. Thes were built by Kuhlman in
<BR>1926 for the "Westside Electric Street Railway and the Webster,
Monsessen, <BR>Belle Vernon and Fayette City Street Railway out of
Charleroi, Penn. <BR>Apparently PRC operated the lines from 1929 to 33
selling them to Lehigh <BR>Valley who in turn sold them to VEPCO. These were
particularly hansome cars <BR>and I would love to build one for myself.
<P>Cheers <BR>Greg <BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: Jim Holland
<pghpcc@pacbell.net> <BR>To: <pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org>
<BR>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 3:17 AM <BR>Subject: Re: Philadelphia
PCC retriever for sale on Ebay
<P>> Greetings! <BR>> <BR>> brathke@juno.com wrote: <BR>>
<BR>> > A Philadelphia PCC trolley retirever is for sale on
Ebay. See: <BR>> > <A
href="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=488798257">http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=488798257</A>
<BR>> <BR>> Philadelphia PCC cars NEVER had
RETRIEVERS -- they used CATCHERS <BR>> to take up the
trolley rope. There is a BIG difference between the
<BR>> two. <BR>> <BR>> A catcher stops the upward movement of a
trolley pole; a retriever not <BR>> only stops the upward movement of a
trolley pole but has a mechanism to <BR>> *retrieve* the pole - to pull
it down clear of the wires. <BR>> <BR>> Even the description is
suspect - the *retriever* is in the *original* <BR>> orange but
underneath is the PTC green?!?!?!?!?!?! A quote of the <BR>>
description follows::::::: <BR>> <BR>> "This is an original 1947 PCC
Philadelphia Trolley car RETRIEVER. It is <BR>> still in its original
color (Orange). There are some minor chips in the <BR>> paint and
underneath is the original PTC (GREEN) paint. SEPTA had <BR>>
experimented with many paint schemes before The red white and blue was
<BR>> standered. This retriever was salvaged from an orange PCC at
LUZERNE <BR>> Trolley Barn years ago. I got it from a freind, it is in
good condition. <BR>> A RETRIEVER's function was to yank the pole in a
downward position when <BR>> the pole dewired. the retreiver prevented
the pole from getting hung up <BR>> in the wires or tearing down the
overhead. A GREAT PEICE OF HISTORY AND <BR>> A GOOD CONVERSATION PIECE. I
hate to let it go but I have to sell it for <BR>> financial reasons. GOOD
LUCK! Buyer pays shipping." <BR>> <BR>> James B. Holland <BR>>
<BR>> Pittsburgh
Railways Company (PRCo), 1930 -- 1950
<BR>> To e-mail privately, please click here: <A
href="mailto:pghpcc@pacbell.net">mailto:pghpcc@pacbell.net</A> <BR>>
N.M.R.A. Life member #2190; <A
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