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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Bob,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have only experimented a bit with it, any varnish
(we have one here called "Estapol") works, gloss or satin or matt.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You can not make it much bigger than 1/4 square and
even then it sinks in the middle but it is the nearest you'll get, the only
other way is to pour windows as you suggested.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To apply it, you stick your tooth pick in the goo,
run it around the edges till you gradually fill the opening then remove the
pick, more goo on the pick makes it thicker and, yes I have tried to
applications with successfull results, suggest making a couple of windows out of
scrap and try it out, just get some PVA glue, it's the same stuff, cheeper and
you can use it for wood working too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Greg</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A href="mailto:bob.dietrich@unisys.com"
title=bob.dietrich@unisys.com>Dietrich, Robert J.</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:'pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org'"
title=pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org>'pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org'</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:03
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: windows</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Great
stuff that crystal clear, especially for those of us in HO.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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size=2><SPAN
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">I am
curious though, what did you use for the clear varnish that stretched the
CC?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Also how do you make the
thicker CC applications?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Do you
ever use two coats of CC?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle15><FONT color=navy face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Since
you opened the issue you have more work to do.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>How can we do the same on larger
windows?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Most modern light rail
vehicles have flush mounted gasket windows and most of them are very
large.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have a model of the
Philadelphia Kawasaki car that hasn’t been put together because I haven’t
thought of a way to do the windows right.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>My current thinking is to somehow put
a plug in the window frame, then pour in a clear liquid epoxy or even that
stuff you heat to make water.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Any
thoughts?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Bob<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Greg King
[mailto:tramway@one.net.au]<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, November 25, 2000 6:54
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
Interurbans@egroups.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B>
pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> windows</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi
guys,</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Just
thought I would post a little discovery I made that probably everyone else has
too, but here goes anyway. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I know
a lot of you have the Crogi PCC's and the "old look" GM buses, all with
standee windows, these and and all other models with windows like this suffer
from the same problem, even (to a lesser degree) the beautifull SPTC Pgh
PCC's. The problem? Flush glazing, this is not just these cars, other
streetcars and buses have/had windows that were flush with the body mounted in
rubber "grummets" so that, when you look down the side of the body, the
windows should be flush with the sides, not recessed as the Corgi models are
with just a bit of plastic behind the window space.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Many
year ago, I built an Osaka (Japan) car which had very large flush top windows
and had a hell of a time flush fitting those windows but did it (you
can see a picture on Dave's Rail Pix), anyway, back to the main line. As
I am working on my next production bus in HO (Marmon Herrington T/C) I was
pondering how I could tell the purchasers a way of reproducing that
look (I have to do something while I'm driving my Streetcars at
work!!). Then I remembered my friends in the aircraft
modelling group I'm in (aviation is my other love)</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">and the product they
used when scratch building an aircraft and have to make windows (and you don't
get more flush windows than and aeroplane!) it a product called "Crystal
Clear" all this is, is white or PVC glue.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">It can
only be used in small cavities, about 1/4" square is about max, it's not
perfect, but gives the closest effect other than individually fitting each
window, last night I tested it out on the standee windows of a Corgi PCC,
varrying from very thin to really thick, the thinner you do it the more it
"sags" in the middle, the thicker you make it, the longer the "white" takes to
turn clear but the result (takes overnight) is more flush, as soon as get the
digital camera back, I'll take some pix. According to my friends, the most
successfull way to do it (I've modified this for our purposes) is to finish
the model and paint it, then do the flush windows, then clear varnish the
model, this has the effect of "Doping are flying model aeroplane" that is, to
stretch the "Crystal Clear" and make it even better, the good part is, at
leats with the Corgi's, if you stuff it up, it's water based and is easily
removed.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hope
this ahs been of interest.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Greg</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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