Greasings! I was a senior at S.Hills H.S. at the time,this three-car excursion took place and had no knowledge of this event. Otherwise, I'd have been there shooting away with my, (then), Brownie "Hawkeye", and may have even begged a ride to Shannon with the chief operator. M-1 was an old friend from the time I was age 9, when it came down Warrington Hollow to the SHJ siding for payday The only pic I ever took of my railbound friend, (along with my son), was at Arden as posted on Bob Dietrich's SHJ website. I can't speak for the rest of the list, but know of at least two who would appreciate any consideration given for posting your frames of that histoical 2/7/54 excursion. Thanks. Bob Schmidt -- Attached file included as plaintext by Listar -- Received: from smtpin-101-11.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.179) by storefull-611.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-101-11.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) id 7539623E; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:40:56 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: saturnv@webtv.net Received: from meredith.dementia.org (MEREDITH.DEMENTIA.ORG [128.2.120.216]) by smtpin-101-11.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 134BB26C; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from meredith.dementia.org (meredith.dementia.org [128.2.120.216]) by meredith.dementia.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f9H9dq625633; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 05:39:52 -0400 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list pittsburgh-railways); Wed, 17 Oct 2001 05:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by meredith.dementia.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f9H9dn625627 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 05:39:49 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME ([66.123.206.207]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GLC00CAEG68QW@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:34:40 -0700 From: Jim Holland Subject: [PRCo] Re: 3-car fantrip from Pittsburgh to PRMA Washington To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org Message-id: <3BCD50B0.5679@pacbell.net> Organization: Holland Electric Railway Operation -- St.-Petersburg Trams Company (SPTC) *O*--Scale Imports -- mailto:PGHPCC@pacbell.net MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03C-PBXG (Win16; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <00dc01c156ba$b33b5380$6d76fb18@rmdws1.il.home.com> X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: pittsburgh-railways-bounce@lists.dementia.org Errors-To: pittsburgh-railways-bounce@lists.dementia.org X-original-sender: pghpcc@pacbell.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: X-list: pittsburgh-railways Good Morning!! > Bob Rathke wrote: > Jim, > I have a copy of this photo from Bill Gwinn. You may have a copy of a *similar* photo, but not this particular one.(:->) This is NOT a Bill Gwinn photo. > The detailed caption says that > 832 is on the bridge, followed by 4393 (your e-mail identidfies this car as > 3756). .......AND it is 3756, NOT 4393 which car did not make the trip with 3756 and M1. The 3-Museum cars made it under their own power to the Museum site at County Home siding -- West--Penn--832, PRCo--3756, PRCo--M1. PRCo--4393 was sent down later in the day to pick up the crew and return them to Pgh. I have a whole sequence of photos and it only shows the 3--Museum Cars (WP--832; PRCo--3756; PRCo--M1) operating together -- and in the order listed in parenthesis -- at SHJ, Overbrook, Castle Shannon, Washington Jct, Drake, Thompsonville, Richfol, Houston, and County Home. Once at the Museum site, there was some fun and games as various people operated WP--832 to Tylerdale and back. The members also boarded up the cars to protect the windows and other vital parts, so it took some time to get things done. They didn't need another paid PRCo employee sitting around on 4393 waiting to return!!(:->) Additionally, I have a larger photo, 8X12, which clearly shows the car waiting to enter the trestle as 3756!! From Sept--Oct--1996--*Trolley--Fare* (pg.10) an article by Dwight Long details this particular trip and the following are excerpts from that article::::::: ".......In actuality the first three cars, WP-832, 3756, and M-1, arrived a year later, on February 7, 1954. It would have been a bit difficult to have commenced storage in February 1953, as the interurban line to Washington was still in revenue operation." ".......M-1, being judged of questionable mechanical ability by PRCo officials, was towed by 3756 as far as Drake, but ran by itself the rest of the way to County Home. The trip was rather different than other PERC fantrips heretofore, as 3756 was filled with metal siding which was applied to the cars later in the day and which provided the only modicum of protection......." This has all been detailed here before, including some of the quotes above, when this topic was discussed before. > I always thought that the 4393 number on the photo was a typo, and > that the number should have been 4398. If 4393 made the trip to Arden on > 2/7/54, and then back to Pittsburgh, when did 4398 go to Arden? No -- 4398 was purchased by PERC or PRMA later - 1956.04.05. Don't have the actual date of the move to Arden -- think it was several years later. Didn't you detail that 4398 was used on the NMRA charter in 1956 or thereabouts?? いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい James B. Holland Holland Electric Railway Operation "O"--Scale St.-Petersburg Trams Company Trolleycars & "O"--Scale Parts mailto:pghpcc@pacbell.net Pennsylvania Trolley Museum (PTM) http://www.pa-trolley.org/ Pittsburgh Railways Company (PRCo), 1930 -- 1950 N.M.R.A. Life member #2190; http://www.mcs.net:80/~weyand/nmra/ いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい