Here's a link to the photos on the Dementia site: >http://trolley.dementia.org/woodruff/< -- "Edward H. Lybarger" wrote: We also have a real estate brochure promoting Brookline and its new trolley loop...used it in an early exhibit, in fact. I can find the caption but since it has been through two hard drive "incidents" and now mysteriously appears in symbols instead of Century Schoolbook, I can't read it any more! But it talked about the excessive real estate speculation and that many of those lots being offered in 1910 were still vacant hillsides today (ten years ago). The Woodruff Street photos were from the Allegheny County Department of Public Works. They exist at PTM as Xeroxes; the originals are still around and I guess I could borrow them for scanning if I don't wait till my contact is retired! The Jerome Street (Avenue) photos from McKeesport are there, too. If I went into full "collect" mode I'd never get anything else done. Ed -----Original Message----- From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce@lists.dementia.org [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce@lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of Fred Schneider Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 3:12 PM To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org Subject: [PRCo] Re: Brookline Well, route 33 is a little different. There are pictures around of cars awaiting scrapping with 33 signs turned up. Route 32 P&LE TRANSFER is really nothing but a shortened route 33. Ed Lybarger found some street pictures showing how bad the track was ... I think they may be Allegheny County streets pictures. Only 3 months? Remember that there was nothing out there. There was this big flat wall called Mount Washington. For years it was much easier and faster to live in and get to other parts of the city than the area behind Mount Washington. The only way over it was an incline. Or you could go out to Temperanceville, and around it where Saw Mill Run flowed out into the Ohio. But there was no easy way. The trolley tunnel was not opened until 1907. Saw Mill Run Blvd. was an early 1920s road to connect with the West End Circle. The Liberty Tubes and the Liberty Bridge were finished early in 1928 and that is when you really start seeing houses built in the South Hills. Although there were little bits and pieces annexed to Pittsburgh all over the city over time, most of the east was configured by 1868. The sheer bulk of the North Side was annexed along with the City of Allegheny in 1907. The South Side (along the River ) and Mount Washington came in during 1872. But behind the mountain was the last major part of the city to be annexed. West Liberty was annexed in 1907, the year the trolley tunnel was opened. Beechview became part of Pittsburgh in 1908. Overbrook in 1930. Carrick and Knoxville in 1927. At the risk of being sarcastic, I'm about to pick fault with our educational system. My German friends who go through their universities tell me they are forced to take classes where they have to identify architecture by age by looking at it. If we had similar requirements, we might recognize that most of the homes up in Brookline date to the 1920s, after the trolley loop to the interurban came and went. On Oct 9, 2005, at 3:23 PM, Mark McGuire wrote: > Thanks guys! > > Wow! Only 3 months? Seems like a waste to build a double track > line. I suppose a photo of a car on this line would be impossible > to find. Just like the trying to find a car on the 33 Mt. Washington. > > Mark > > -- "Edward H. Lybarger" wrote: > The Brookline via South Bank service lasted only about 3 months in > 1910, > rather than the "several years" mentioned in ER20. The dates of > operation > were 9-12-1910 to 11-1-1910. Route number was 313A. Note on route > card > succinctly says "Traffic not sufficient." > > -----Original Message----- > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce@lists.dementia.org > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce@lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of > Mark > McGuire > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:25 PM > To: Pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org > Subject: [PRCo] Brookline > > > Speaking of Brookline, I was wondering if there are any photos that > exist of the old trackage that once connected the Brookline route > with the interurbans. I would love to see something other than the > PERC map. > What years was this connection used and when was it abandoned? > > Mark > > >