I love this shot. I wish someone would have taken another shot from the rear of the car. Would love to see shots of Simmons Loop looking south right after abandonment of Charleroi. Anyone have anything like that? There is a shot on page 127(bottom) in Leroy King's Vol. IV of a 1700 car at Simmons taken from the abandoned Charleroi trackage looking north. Now I just need to find something similar but looking south into the abandoned trackage. I have an old Bill Gwinn contact print of 4398 on a fantrip looking south but it is very blurry. Mark -- "James B. Holland" wrote: Edward H. Lybarger wrote: > It's so poor (blurry) that the detail likely won't show up onscreen. I > know the decal is there because I'm looking for it. It's not something > I would ever publish! Just realized this IS another photo of Logo Very Possibly 1953 -- Interurbans seemed to get logo almost immediately -- will have to check INterurban photos more closely!! http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp325.htm PCC Interurban 1618 Still has its spare trolley pole - Simmons Loop in use on 01-July-1953 and Washington Interurbans still had two full months to go -- this could be that time frame. Schedules I have seen pressed Drake wye into use as soon as it was built with hourly service to either Drake or Washington weekdays. >>> James B. Holland wrote: >>> >>> The first appearance that I have noted is on 1614 in the Old >>> Interurban Days about 1952 or 1953 -- photo attached.......... >> http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/1614%2036-Wash-OB%20Morganza%2019530823.jpg Jim__Holland I__Like__Ike.......And__PCCs!! down with pantographs ---- UP___WITH___TROLLEYPOLES!!!!!!!