Thanks to Dave Hamley's 6-part series in TROLLEY FARE, I know that the front end shot of the rt. 68 signed car is 1714. The front and rear caps of this car were used to make the molds for the 4000 series cars. If any of you ever has a chance to go by Ray Lattner's home you'll be pleasantly surprised to find the front end of 1765 inside a room addition on his house. He has restored it to it's original paint and most everything still works, including the wipers. Truly phenominal! Thanks for the photos, Jim! Mark -- "James B. Holland" wrote: Here's a few more, Mark!!!!!!! http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/4778_42-38.jpg http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/4778Library.jpg http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/02-68car.jpg http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/02-myphoto7.jpeg http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Kopie%20-%20pitt076.jpg http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRC5432-9Bus090956.JPG http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/02-5432-54.JPG http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/1537%20unknown.jpg -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [PRCo] Re: Location? Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:22:21 -0800 From: James B. Holland Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org References: <20051108.163601.29636.57495@webmail29.lax.untd.com> <4371D5D3.1070506@P-R-Co.com> >> Mark McGuire wrote: >> From what I've seen, railfans liked to have the dest. sign matching >> or at least close to where they were at the time. The PRMA map of >> 1959 shows St. Clair (between Highland and Negley) as early trackage. >> I don't know anything about this but maybe this was once St.Clair >> Transfer. From the routes covered in Jim's post I would surmise that >> this may be Euclid between Penn and Centre. Perhaps this trackage was >> used to get to and from rts 75 and 88???? Just a novice's guess. > James B. Holland wrote: > EXCELLENT detective work. Railfans Often use Out Of Town dustynation > signs and this was my first impression -- had never seen anything like > this on PRCo! Railfans often like to purposely confuse destination > signs as well like using East End signs in West End -- have seen many > such photos. PITTSBURGH is displayed on JTC PCC 408 when PERC members > went there for an excursion. Out Of Place Destination signs on FunTrips::::::: http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp072.htm http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp075.htm http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp098.htm -- is photo caption mislabeled?? http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp106.htm http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp132.htm http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp136.htm -- don't remember if we ever fingered out this location!! http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp145.htm http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp185.htm -- is photo caption mislabeled?? http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp189.htm -- St. Clair Transfer Again!! http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp192.htm -- *-New-* Butler Interurban!!! http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp229.htm -- *-New-* Butler Interurban!!! http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp231.htm -- Probably NOT Railfuns!! http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp283.htm -- Not out of Place but Definitely Out Of Date by 6-years -- and appears like St.Clair Transfer behind -- 1111!!!! http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp299.htm http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp301.htm http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp323.htm http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp325.htm - Revenue Service Standard Practice, not RailFuns!!! http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp421.htm -- going to Castle Shannon, yes, but not on 37!! THIS____ONE____TOTALLY____WRONG::::::: http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp423.htm -- Photo Caption Reads:::: """"#1161, a former St. Louis Public Service car, on a fan trip on New Arlington Avenue which is the line over the top of Mt. Washington that still exists as a diversion when the tunnel is out of service for some reason. The passing siding was midway up the hill and in the vicinity of the Knoxville Incline Railway which has since been discontinued. Note the St. Louis roll sign April 24, 1960 Bill Volkmer photo"""" I sent Dave a correction to this but he has obviously not posted it!!!!!!! PRCo NEVER had used PCCs -- all their PCCs were Originals!!! Yes, location correct but Please Never Confuse PRCo with SLPS! -- NEVER!!!! http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/wvp427.htm Jim__Holland I__Like__Ike.......And__PCCs!! down with pantographs ---- UP___WITH___TROLLEYPOLES!!!!!!!