Just curious John, where did you live in Mt. Lebanon? I believe the
41B was Bower Hill Rd., but what was the 41A? Cedar Blvd.?  I lived
right up the hill from Keystone Oaks High School(which probably 
wasn't around yet when you lived there). If you came up Biltmore in 
Dormont towards Mt. Lebanon, it turned into Sleepy Hollow Rd. I lived
down the first left off of Sleepy Hollow(Lovingston Dr.) right over
the hill. 
  I could have rolled down the hillside to atend high school at 
Keystone Oaks, but had to travel the 2-3 miles to Mt. Lebanon. I 
remember my jr. high school(Andrew Mellon) and all day long hearing 
the streetcars squeeling around Clearview Loop.

-- "John Swindler" <j_swindler@hotmail.com> wrote:

Yes, it is different this time.  The Transportation Reform Commission 
hired 
consultants that looked at PAT, SEPTA and several other transit 
agencies.  
Let's just say that there is an awareness now of some past practices.

As for converting 41 series bus lines to light rail feeders, this was 
part 
of the Parsons Brinkerhoff (?)study from around 1966 or so.  But I 
was 
referring to after light rail service started through Beechview in 
mid-1980s.

And I had a personal experience.  In late 60s, I commuted to Point 
Park 
College from Mt. Lebanon area.  In the morning for 9am class, I would 
take 
41A to Dormont Wye and transfer to 42/38.  It was a lot faster and 
dependable.  The 41A came down Pioneer Ave. and seemed to spend 
forever tied 
up in traffic at Saw Mill Run and on downtown streets.  Coming home 
in 
evening peak, would reverse process - this time to Sunset bus at 
Clearview 
Loop (could not depend on 41A outbound in pm peak) or take Overbrook 
to 
shuttle from Cretestone.  If after evening class, then 41A direct 
from 
downtown.  By then there was no congestion, and I only had to wait 
for one 
transit vehicle.  I also liked to get the 4th Ave. short turns in 
evening 
peak.  Again, avoided sitting in traffic.

But the lesson I learned later is that my time was free.  But the bus 
driver's time is not free.  It is the taxpayers (not the fare paying 
passengers) that are paying for the driver sitting in traffic.

John
>From: Joshua Dunfield <joshuad@cs.cmu.edu>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org
>To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: pat__service__cuts__2007.01.23-changed to 2/1/07 
Date: 
>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:21:16 -0500
>
>John Swindler wrote:
> > Could this really just be a process to mobilize PAT's 
constituancy to 
>lobby
> > the state legislature?  After all, it's worked the last 4-5 
years, why
> > should it not work again.  (do a search of Post Gazette archives)
>
>No search needed for me; I remember how it went.  But as I said a 
few weeks
>ago, this time isn't the same.  The old way of scaring people was to 
put
>forward totally stupid proposals to cut all service after 7 p.m., or 
9 
>p.m.,
>or Sundays.  The current proposal looks like a good-faith effort.  
Of 
>course
>the earlier proposals were indistinguishable from good-faith but 
totally
>incompetent efforts, so who knows.
>
>[...]
> > But for those on this list, one might ask why most of the 41 
series or
> > routes slated for abandonment were never changed to light rail 
feeders 
>years
> > ago.
>
>My guess is that feeding would be significantly slower, not even 
counting
>the ridership-killing inconvenience of a transfer.  Go ahead -- look 
up the
>schedules and prove me wrong.  The 42S/42L (if we're talking "years 
ago")
>wasn't exactly a speed demon, not that Overbrook is that much better.
>
>-j.
>

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