<div dir="ltr">The photo WAS attached. Youins just don't "believe" in the power of The List. <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Dwight Long <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net" target="_blank">dwightlong@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Bob<br>
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No photo was attached. No doubt the dreaded ecartis ate it, as it is wont<br>
to do.<br>
<br>
At about the time quoted, we were in the bar cursing Dameron.<br>
<div class="im HOEnZb"><br>
Dwight<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Bob Rathke" <<a href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</a>><br>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"<br>
<<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 7:05 PM<br>
Subject: [PRCo] Last car on 6/14 Avalon<br>
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> The last trip on 6/14-Avalon was very crowded. At the Avalon loop,<br>
> passengers left the trolley (1799) for brief remarks by Avalon officials,<br>
> and then we re-boarded for the ( need I say "quiet"?) tri p back downtown.<br>
><br>
><br>
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> I took the attached photo as the riders were starting to re-board 1799 in<br>
> Avalon. I believe that's John Dameron in the black coat talking to the<br>
> motorman. Time was around 1:00 am on Sunday, May 1, 1966.<br>
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><br>
> Bob<br>
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> ----- Original Message -----<br>
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><br>
> From: "Dwight Long" <<a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</a>><br>
> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
> Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 4:19:13 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of<br>
> oldandabandonedbuildings in Western Pa.<br>
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><br>
> Bob<br>
><br>
> Thanks for that clarification.<br>
><br>
> I did not ride any trip on 6/14 on that day. Went right to the Brass Rail<br>
> upon return of the last 21 trip, then split for Hoosierland.<br>
><br>
> Dwight<br>
> ----- Original Message -----<br>
> From: "Bob Rathke" <<a href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</a>><br>
> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 4:58 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of<br>
> oldandabandonedbuildings in Western Pa.<br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>> Dwight,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> "The second half of the last trolley day" referred to the last regularly<br>
>> scheduled trip on 6/14-Avalon which occured immediately following the<br>
>> last<br>
>> regularly scheduled trip on 21-Fineview..<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> The last regular service day for 21 and 14/6 was Saturday, April 30,<br>
>> 1966.<br>
>> The last car on 21 arrived back downtown from Fineview a little before<br>
>> Midnight, and then went to Tunnel CH. A few minutes later the last<br>
>> regular<br>
>> service car on 14/6 left downtown for Avalon, and returned back downtown<br>
>> around 2am on Sunday, May 1.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I was on the last regular service trips on both 21 and 6/14. I 've heard<br>
>> that there was a charter that ran on Finview after the last regular<br>
>> service trip there, but I don't know when that occured . I'm not sure if<br>
>> there was also an after-service charter on 6/14.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Bob<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> From: "Dwight Long" <<a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</a>><br>
>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
>> Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 2:32:30 PM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old<br>
>> andabandonedbuildings in Western Pa.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Bob<br>
>><br>
>> Not sure to what you refer. I was on the last trip of Rt. 21 and then a<br>
>> few<br>
>> of us retired to a Brass Rail in the Triangle (on Liberty or Penn??) to<br>
>> cry<br>
>> in our beer over the loss. What was the "last trolley day?" Some<br>
>> enthusiast tour?<br>
>><br>
>> I'm sending this from my portable and don't have my records at hand or<br>
>> could<br>
>> tell you the exact date. It was in 1966 for sure.<br>
>><br>
>> Dwight<br>
>><br>
>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> From: "Bob Rathke" <<a href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</a>><br>
>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
>> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 1:17 PM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old<br>
>> andabandonedbuildings in Western Pa.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Dwight,<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> There was a Brass Rail on E. Ohio St. Did you skip the se cond half of<br>
>>> the<br>
>>> "last trolley day" on 4/3 0/66?<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> That night I rode the last 21-Fine view car out to Fineview and back to<br>
>>> downtown, then caught the last 6/14 trolley and rode out to Avalon and<br>
>>> back. I took the attached photo as a group of fans on Penn Ave. made the<br>
>>> dash to board 1799.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Bob<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> From: "Dwight Long" <<a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</a>><br>
>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 11:43:33 AM<br>
>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old and<br>
>>> abandonedbuildings in Western Pa.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Bob<br>
>>><br>
>>> My last (somewhat faint) memory of the Brass Rail is consuming mass<br>
>>> quantities of beer in one of their outlets after I had ridden the last<br>
>>> ever Rt. 21 Fineview car,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Dwight<br>
>>><br>
>>> From: Bob Rathke<br>
>>> Sent: Monday, 08 April, 2013 12:23<br>
>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>
>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old and<br>
>>> abandonedbuildings in Western Pa.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Fred,<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> While you're remembering Fifth and Liberty Avenues, don't forget Frank &<br>
>>> Seder, Spear and May Stern department/furniture stores. Also 5&10's G.C.<br>
>>> Murphy and Grants; the Brass Rail and Bards (similar to Isaly's, but<br>
>>> Bard<br>
>>> stores were in the neighborhoods, not downtown ).<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> My grandmother worked at Rosenbaums before she was married. The<br>
>>> Rosenbaum<br>
>>> building was a solid structure , and it took months to dem olish it<br>
>>> before<br>
>>> they could start building the parking garage that's on the site now. My<br>
>>> grandfather worked at Boggs & Buhl and was an office boy for R.H. Boggs,<br>
>>> but his family encouraged him to leave the store and learn a trade. The<br>
>>> R.H. Boggs home on the Mexican War Streets is now a B&B.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> My paternal great grandfather was fire engineer at the City of Allegheny<br>
>>> fire station No. 2 on Concord St. from 1868 to the early 1900's (see<br>
>>> attached photo). I also have a photo of him working in Johnstown after<br>
>>> the<br>
>>> 1889 flood (I assume that Allegheny sent fireman to Johnstown to help<br>
>>> out). And I have copies of his Civil War records and pension.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> About the Brass Rail: the restaurants had a large (probably 5 'X10 ')<br>
>>> copy<br>
>>> of a painting behi nd the bar. The painting depicted a 1930-style bus,<br>
>>> but<br>
>>> the bus was five stories tall and looked like a cruise ship on wheels.<br>
>>> The<br>
>>> title of the painting was, "A bus salesman's dream in 1960". I wonder if<br>
>>> that painting survived the restaurants.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Bob<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> From: "Fred Schneider" <<a href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">fwschneider@comcast.net</a>><br>
>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 10:43:23 AM<br>
>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old and<br>
>>> abandoned<br>
>>> buildings in Western Pa.<br>
>>><br>
>>> You know you are old, Bob, when someone asks "What's a McCrorys?" Think<br>
>>> of<br>
>>> all those old store names that are no longer there. I will confine<br>
>>> myself<br>
>>> to western Pennsylvania … Woolworths, Gimbels, Kaufmans, Joseph Horne,<br>
>>> Rosenbaums, Boggs and Buhl, Isalys.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Yup…. And you now have to be in your 40s to understand what communism<br>
>>> was<br>
>>> like in eastern Europe. In a way, I guess I am rather glad that I<br>
>>> vacationed in East Germany before the wall came down and saw it. I<br>
>>> guess,<br>
>>> as ugly as history can be, I guess it was also good for me that I<br>
>>> experienced the segregated southern states … black and white drinking<br>
>>> fountains, toilets, restaurants, etc.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Now, how the hell do I explain to my granddaughter and her husband, who<br>
>>> is<br>
>>> of African descent, what it would have been like living in this country<br>
>>> 60<br>
>>> or more years ago?<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Apr 4, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Here's a Facebook page containing photos of old and abondoned<br>
>>>> structures<br>
>>>> in Western Pa. It contains a few rail photos. I've posted some of my<br>
>>>> 1956-82 photos in the section for, "Recent posts by others".<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> See:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Abandoned-Old-Interesting-Places-Western-PA/237114536307967?sk=photos#!/pages/Abandoned-Old-Interesting-Places-Western-PA/237114536307967" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/pages/Abandoned-Old-Interesting-Places-Western-PA/237114536307967?sk=photos#!/pages/Abandoned-Old-Interesting-Places-Western-PA/237114536307967</a><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr">Herb Brannon<br>Back In The Burgh !<br></div>
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