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<DIV><FONT size=4 face="Century Gothic">John</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>The 295 trip was before my time on organized tours, and a few
months before my first trip of any on West Penn, which was from Greensburg to
Connellsville in the fall of 1951.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>The date of the 711 trip was 13 July 1952. The last
regular WP runs were on 9 August 1952, with the farewell tour the following day
(the one I missed). Your shot of 711 was taken on the yard at Huff Car
House in Southwest Greensburg. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>The 832 Charleroi-Ingram move was 10 May 1953. Were you also
on 4921 for the ride from SHJ down to Charleroi? Your photo of 832 was
taken at Castle Shannon; that is the closed car house admin building in
the background before the borough took it over. I have numerous pictures from
that trip and will have to look for a seven year old in them! Chuck
England took movies of that trip; these AIR went to John Baxter after
Chuck’s untimely death and may be in the archives at Arden.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Here, if ecartis does not hijack and hide them, are some of
the May 1953 shots that show a youth. Could it be you?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>No kid in the last one; I included it just because it
was one of my first color shots and I rather like it. I think everyone will
recognize the locations, but if not, ask.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=j_swindler@hotmail.com
href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com">John Swindler</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 09 April, 2013 10:09</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old
andabandonedbuildings in Western Pa.</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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Dwight My first was the 295 fantrip that included Dickerson Run. But only
4 and a half at time. There isn't even an vague impression of that
trip. Total blank. But there is a photo of my dad sitting next to a
small kid peering over a seat back that was used in Headlights magazine around
1985. There was also the 832 move from Charleroi to Ingram. There's
a vague recollection of Black Diamond Jct, Carson at Smithfield, and coming down
a hill towards Ingram. Because of attached pix, assume these impressions
were from this trip. Probably around seven. This wasn't my dad's 620
camera. <BR>> From: dwightlong@verizon.net<BR>> To:
pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 00:56:03
-0400<BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old
andabandonedbuildings in Western Pa.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> John<BR>>
<BR>> I was on that trip too. It was my very first enthusiast
tour. But it was <BR>> not several months before the final abandonment,
it was only about a month <BR>> removed from that. Some time I'll have
to look thru my fots from that trip <BR>> and see if I can spot a six year
old.<BR>> <BR>> Dwight<BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>> From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler@hotmail.com><BR>> To:
"Western PA Trolley discussion" <BR>>
<pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR>> Sent: Tuesday, April
09, 2013 12:37 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos
of old <BR>> andabandonedbuildings in Western Pa.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
It was the 711 trip several months before the final West Penn abandonment.
<BR>> But the worse part is being only 6 years old and having only a couple
vague <BR>> impressions from the trip. If it were not for the two
attached family pix <BR>> would wonder if just wishful thinking.
> From: fwschneider@comcast.net<BR>> > Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:51:30
-0400<BR>> > To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>> >
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old <BR>> >
andabandonedbuildings in Western Pa.<BR>> ><BR>> > And now, how many
of yins remember when route 21 was the last route in the <BR>> > city to
have full time scheduled service with a single - end yellow car? <BR>> > I
do not know, off hand, when it was but I remember it. Was after we
<BR>> > moved from Pittsburgh to Lancaster. That was
1949. I remember going <BR>> > back to Grandma's home and seeing it
… so it was by the time I was <BR>> > wandering around on my own.
Maybe by the time I was 12. That could be <BR>> > the spring
of 1952.<BR>> ><BR>> > John Swindler always reminds me how a couple
of years difference in our <BR>> > ages makes a huge difference in the
things we remember. Even though he <BR>> > grew up in Edgewood and I was
out in Penn Hills (called Penn Township <BR>> > then), I remember DE low
floor cars on route 78 Laketon Road and he has no <BR>> > memory of
them.<BR>> ><BR>> > I think I can come up with a memory I can
guarantee he doesn't have. A <BR>> > rather famous 1937
animated Disney film was rereleased in 1944. My <BR>> > mother
took me to downtown Pittsburgh on Deere Brothers bus to see it. <BR>> >
After enjoying Snow White and the seven little sons-a-bitches, I was taken
<BR>> > out to Grandma's home on the streetcar. But during the
war, Route 8 <BR>> > PERRYSVILLE did not have those modern
5500s. No sir. It had low-speed, <BR>> >
single-end low floor cars that had been removed from storage and returned
<BR>> > to work. If memory serves, they might have been 5100
or maybe 5000s. <BR>> > During the war, if it ran, they used
it. The speeded up cars were <BR>> > rebuilt with helical
years but those unrebuilt low-speed cars had spur <BR>> > gears and the
one I was one that day in '44 had probably the most badly <BR>> > worn set
imaginable. They were so bad that to this day I can still <BR>>
> remember the pain to my ear drums caused by the loud grinding of those
<BR>> > worn gears. There were probably some people on that
car who long <BR>> > remembered the pain my crying gave them.
I wonder why I like streetcars <BR>> > after such an event so early in
life.<BR>> ><BR>> > When we are that young, I think there is very
little we remember unless it <BR>> > is traumatic. I have a
German buddy who is a month younger than I am who <BR>> > has some very
stark memories of World War II while I have almost none. <BR>> >
Why? His memories are of his mother carrying his younger brother on
her <BR>> > back while Helmut walked across Germany with bombs exploding
around them. <BR>> > We remember trauma. And that is probably
why one of the few things I can <BR>> > remember from age 4 is a freaken
noisy streetcar.<BR>> ><BR>> > But I am still jealous …<BR>>
><BR>> > John's next door neighbor took him for a ride on the final
West Penn <BR>> > fantrip. He rode a West Penn 700 at about age 8 or
9 or 10. I rode 289 <BR>> > for a few blocks in West Jeannette
with my dad chasing the car in the <BR>> > family Chevy. You
know all those stories about "shoulda, woulda, coulda? <BR>> > I shoulda
just stayed on the car and ridden into Greensburg instead of <BR>> >
worrying about what the old man might have said.<BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>> > On Apr 8, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:<BR>>
><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > Dwight,<BR>> >
><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > "The second half of
the last trolley day" referred to the last regularly <BR>> > >
scheduled trip on 6/14-Avalon which occured immediately following the <BR>>
> > last regularly scheduled trip on 21-Fineview..<BR>> >
><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > The last regular
service day for 21 and 14/6 was Saturday, April 30, <BR>> > >
1966. The last car on 21 arrived back downtown from Fineview a
little <BR>> > > before Midnight, and then went to Tunnel CH. A
few minutes later the <BR>> > > last regular service car on 14/6
left downtown for Avalon, and returned <BR>> > > back downtown around
2am on Sunday, May 1.<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> >
><BR>> > > I was on the last regular service trips on both 21
and 6/14. I 've <BR>> > > heard that there was a charter that ran on
Finview after the last <BR>> > > regular service trip there, but I
don't know when that occured . I'm <BR>> > > not sure if there
was also an after-service charter on 6/14.<BR>> > ><BR>> >
><BR>> > ><BR>> > > Bob<BR>> > ><BR>> >
><BR>> > ><BR>> > > ----- Original Message -----<BR>>
> ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > From: "Dwight Long"
<dwightlong@verizon.net><BR>> > > To: "Western PA Trolley
discussion" <BR>> > >
<pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR>> > > Sent: Monday,
April 8, 2013 2:32:30 PM<BR>> > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for
posting photos of <BR>> > >
old andabandonedbuildings in Western
Pa.<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > Bob<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Not sure to what you refer. I was on the last trip
of Rt. 21 and then a <BR>> > > few<BR>> > > of us retired to a
Brass Rail in the Triangle (on Liberty or Penn??) to <BR>> > >
cry<BR>> > > in our beer over the loss. What was the "last
trolley day?" Some<BR>> > > enthusiast tour?<BR>> >
><BR>> > > I'm sending this from my portable and don't have my
records at hand or <BR>> > > could<BR>> > > tell you the exact
date. It was in 1966 for sure.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
Dwight<BR>> > ><BR>> > > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
> > From: "Bob Rathke" <bobrathke@comcast.net><BR>> > > To:
"Western PA Trolley discussion"<BR>> > >
<pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR>> > > Sent: Monday,
April 08, 2013 1:17 PM<BR>> > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for
posting photos of old<BR>> > > andabandonedbuildings in Western
Pa.<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > >><BR>> >
>><BR>> > >> Dwight,<BR>> > >><BR>> >
>><BR>> > >><BR>> > >> There was a Brass Rail on
E. Ohio St. Did you skip the se cond half of <BR>> > >> the<BR>>
> >> "last trolley day" on 4/3 0/66?<BR>> > >><BR>> >
>><BR>> > >><BR>> > >> That night I rode the last
21-Fine view car out to Fineview and back to<BR>> > >> downtown,
then caught the last 6/14 trolley and rode out to Avalon and<BR>> >
>> back. I took the attached photo as a group of fans on Penn Ave. made
<BR>> > >> the<BR>> > >> dash to board 1799.<BR>>
> >><BR>> > >><BR>> > >><BR>> > >>
Bob<BR>> > >><BR>> > >><BR>> > >><BR>>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > >><BR>> >
>><BR>> > >> From: "Dwight Long"
<dwightlong@verizon.net><BR>> > >> To: "Western PA Trolley
discussion"<BR>> > >>
<pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR>> > >> Sent:
Monday, April 8, 2013 11:43:33 AM<BR>> > >> Subject: Re: [PRCo]
Facebook page for posting photos of old and<BR>> > >>
abandonedbuildings in Western Pa.<BR>> > >><BR>> >
>><BR>> > >> Bob<BR>> > >><BR>> > >>
My last (somewhat faint) memory of the Brass Rail is consuming mass<BR>> >
>> quantities of beer in one of their outlets after I had ridden the
last<BR>> > >> ever Rt. 21 Fineview car,<BR>> >
>><BR>> > >> Dwight<BR>> > >><BR>> >
>> From: Bob Rathke<BR>> > >> Sent: Monday, 08 April, 2013
12:23<BR>> > >> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>> >
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old and<BR>>
> >> abandonedbuildings in Western Pa.<BR>> > >><BR>>
> >><BR>> > >> Fred,<BR>> > >><BR>> >
>><BR>> > >><BR>> > >> While you're remembering
Fifth and Liberty Avenues, don't forget Frank <BR>> > >>
&<BR>> > >> Seder, Spear and May Stern department/furniture
stores. Also 5&10's <BR>> > >> G.C.<BR>> > >> Murphy
and Grants; the Brass Rail and Bards (similar to Isaly's, but <BR>> >
>> Bard<BR>> > >> stores were in the neighborhoods, not
downtown ).<BR>> > >><BR>> > >><BR>> >
>><BR>> > >> My grandmother worked at Rosenbaums before she
was married. The <BR>> > >> Rosenbaum<BR>> > >> building
was a solid structure , and it took months to dem olish it <BR>> >
>> before<BR>> > >> they could start building the parking
garage that's on the site now. My<BR>> > >> grandfather worked at
Boggs & Buhl and was an office boy for R.H. <BR>> > >>
Boggs,<BR>> > >> but his family encouraged him to leave the store
and learn a trade. The<BR>> > >> R.H. Boggs home on the Mexican War
Streets is now a B&B.<BR>> > >><BR>> > >><BR>>
> >><BR>> > >> My paternal great grandfather was fire
engineer at the City of <BR>> > >> Allegheny<BR>> > >>
fire station No. 2 on Concord St. from 1868 to the early 1900's (see<BR>>
> >> attached photo). I also have a photo of him working in Johnstown
after <BR>> > >> the<BR>> > >> 1889 flood (I assume that
Allegheny sent fireman to Johnstown to help<BR>> > >> out). And I
have copies of his Civil War records and pension.<BR>> > >><BR>>
> >><BR>> > >><BR>> > >> About the Brass Rail:
the restaurants had a large (probably 5 'X10 ') <BR>> > >>
copy<BR>> > >> of a painting behi nd the bar. The painting depicted
a 1930-style bus, <BR>> > >> but<BR>> > >> the bus was
five stories tall and looked like a cruise ship on wheels. <BR>> >
>> The<BR>> > >> title of the painting was, "A bus salesman's
dream in 1960". I wonder <BR>> > >> if<BR>> > >> that
painting survived the restaurants.<BR>> > >><BR>> >
>><BR>> > >><BR>> > >> Bob<BR>> >
>><BR>> > >><BR>> > >> ----- Original Message
----- <BR>> > >><BR>> > >><BR>> > >> From:
"Fred Schneider" <fwschneider@comcast.net><BR>> > >> To:
"Western PA Trolley discussion"<BR>> > >>
<pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR>> > >> Sent:
Monday, April 8, 2013 10:43:23 AM<BR>> > >> Subject: Re: [PRCo]
Facebook page for posting photos of old and <BR>> > >>
abandoned<BR>> > >> buildings in Western Pa.<BR>> >
>><BR>> > >> You know you are old, Bob, when someone asks
"What's a McCrorys?" Think <BR>> > >> of<BR>> > >> all
those old store names that are no longer there. I will confine <BR>> >
>> myself<BR>> > >> to western Pennsylvania … Woolworths,
Gimbels, Kaufmans, Joseph Horne,<BR>> > >> Rosenbaums, Boggs and
Buhl, Isalys.<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> Yup…. And you now have
to be in your 40s to understand what communism <BR>> > >>
was<BR>> > >> like in eastern Europe. In a way, I guess I am rather
glad that I<BR>> > >> vacationed in East Germany before the wall
came down and saw it. I <BR>> > >> guess,<BR>> > >> as
ugly as history can be, I guess it was also good for me that I<BR>> >
>> experienced the segregated southern states … black and white
drinking<BR>> > >> fountains, toilets, restaurants, etc.<BR>>
> >><BR>> > >> Now, how the hell do I explain to my
granddaughter and her husband, who <BR>> > >> is<BR>> >
>> of African descent, what it would have been like living in this country
<BR>> > >> 60<BR>> > >> or more years ago?<BR>> >
>><BR>> > >><BR>> > >> On Apr 4, 2013, at 1:19 PM,
Bob Rathke wrote:<BR>> > >><BR>> > >>><BR>> >
>>><BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>> Here's a
Facebook page containing photos of old and abondoned <BR>> > >>>
structures<BR>> > >>> in Western Pa. It contains a few rail
photos. I've posted some of my<BR>> > >>> 1956-82 photos in the
section for, "Recent posts by others".<BR>> > >>><BR>> >
>>><BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>> See:<BR>>
> >>><BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>><BR>>
> >>><BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>>
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Abandoned-Old-Interesting-Places-Western-PA/237114536307967?sk=photos#!/pages/Abandoned-Old-Interesting-Places-Western-PA/237114536307967<BR>>
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