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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Hi Dwight<BR> <BR>My first was the 295 fantrip that included Dickerson Run. But only 4 and a half at time. There isn't even an vague impression of that trip. Total blank. But there is a photo of my dad sitting next to a small kid peering over a seat back that was used in <em>Headlights</em> magazine around 1985. <BR> <BR>There was also the 832 move from Charleroi to Ingram. There's a vague recollection of Black Diamond Jct, Carson at Smithfield, and coming down a hill towards Ingram. Because of attached pix, assume these impressions were from this trip. Probably around seven. This wasn't my dad's 620 camera.<BR> <BR><br> <BR><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div>> From: dwightlong@verizon.net<br>> To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<br>> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 00:56:03 -0400<br>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old andabandonedbuildings in Western Pa.<br>> <br>> <br>> John<br>> <br>> I was on that trip too. It was my very first enthusiast tour. But it was <br>> not several months before the final abandonment, it was only about a month <br>> removed from that. Some time I'll have to look thru my fots from that trip <br>> and see if I can spot a six year old.<br>> <br>> Dwight<br>> <br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler@hotmail.com><br>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <br>> <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><br>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 12:37 AM<br>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old <br>> andabandonedbuildings in Western Pa.<br>> <br>> <br>> It was the 711 trip several months before the final West Penn abandonment. <br>> But the worse part is being only 6 years old and having only a couple vague <br>> impressions from the trip. If it were not for the two attached family pix <br>> would wonder if just wishful thinking. > From: fwschneider@comcast.net<br>> > Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:51:30 -0400<br>> > To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<br>> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old <br>> > andabandonedbuildings in Western Pa.<br>> ><br>> > And now, how many of yins remember when route 21 was the last route in the <br>> > city to have full time scheduled service with a single - end yellow car? <br>> > I do not know, off hand, when it was but I remember it. Was after we <br>> > moved from Pittsburgh to Lancaster. That was 1949. I remember going <br>> > back to Grandma's home and seeing it … so it was by the time I was <br>> > wandering around on my own. Maybe by the time I was 12. That could be <br>> > the spring of 1952.<br>> ><br>> > John Swindler always reminds me how a couple of years difference in our <br>> > ages makes a huge difference in the things we remember. Even though he <br>> > grew up in Edgewood and I was out in Penn Hills (called Penn Township <br>> > then), I remember DE low floor cars on route 78 Laketon Road and he has no <br>> > memory of them.<br>> ><br>> > I think I can come up with a memory I can guarantee he doesn't have. A <br>> > rather famous 1937 animated Disney film was rereleased in 1944. My <br>> > mother took me to downtown Pittsburgh on Deere Brothers bus to see it. <br>> > After enjoying Snow White and the seven little sons-a-bitches, I was taken <br>> > out to Grandma's home on the streetcar. But during the war, Route 8 <br>> > PERRYSVILLE did not have those modern 5500s. No sir. It had low-speed, <br>> > single-end low floor cars that had been removed from storage and returned <br>> > to work. If memory serves, they might have been 5100 or maybe 5000s. <br>> > During the war, if it ran, they used it. The speeded up cars were <br>> > rebuilt with helical years but those unrebuilt low-speed cars had spur <br>> > gears and the one I was one that day in '44 had probably the most badly <br>> > worn set imaginable. They were so bad that to this day I can still <br>> > remember the pain to my ear drums caused by the loud grinding of those <br>> > worn gears. There were probably some people on that car who long <br>> > remembered the pain my crying gave them. I wonder why I like streetcars <br>> > after such an event so early in life.<br>> ><br>> > When we are that young, I think there is very little we remember unless it <br>> > is traumatic. I have a German buddy who is a month younger than I am who <br>> > has some very stark memories of World War II while I have almost none. <br>> > Why? His memories are of his mother carrying his younger brother on her <br>> > back while Helmut walked across Germany with bombs exploding around them. <br>> > We remember trauma. And that is probably why one of the few things I can <br>> > remember from age 4 is a freaken noisy streetcar.<br>> ><br>> > But I am still jealous …<br>> ><br>> > John's next door neighbor took him for a ride on the final West Penn <br>> > fantrip. He rode a West Penn 700 at about age 8 or 9 or 10. I rode 289 <br>> > for a few blocks in West Jeannette with my dad chasing the car in the <br>> > family Chevy. You know all those stories about "shoulda, woulda, coulda? <br>> > I shoulda just stayed on the car and ridden into Greensburg instead of <br>> > worrying about what the old man might have said.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Apr 8, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:<br>> ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > Dwight,<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > "The second half of the last trolley day" referred to the last regularly <br>> > > scheduled trip on 6/14-Avalon which occured immediately following the <br>> > > last regularly scheduled trip on 21-Fineview..<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > The last regular service day for 21 and 14/6 was Saturday, April 30, <br>> > > 1966. The last car on 21 arrived back downtown from Fineview a little <br>> > > before Midnight, and then went to Tunnel CH. A few minutes later the <br>> > > last regular service car on 14/6 left downtown for Avalon, and returned <br>> > > back downtown around 2am on Sunday, May 1.<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > I was on the last regular service trips on both 21 and 6/14. I 've <br>> > > heard that there was a charter that ran on Finview after the last <br>> > > regular service trip there, but I don't know when that occured . I'm <br>> > > not sure if there was also an after-service charter on 6/14.<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > Bob<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > ----- Original Message -----<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong@verizon.net><br>> > > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <br>> > > <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><br>> > > Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 2:32:30 PM<br>> > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of <br>> > > old andabandonedbuildings in Western Pa.<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > Bob<br>> > ><br>> > > Not sure to what you refer. I was on the last trip of Rt. 21 and then a <br>> > > few<br>> > > of us retired to a Brass Rail in the Triangle (on Liberty or Penn??) to <br>> > > cry<br>> > > in our beer over the loss. What was the "last trolley day?" Some<br>> > > enthusiast tour?<br>> > ><br>> > > I'm sending this from my portable and don't have my records at hand or <br>> > > could<br>> > > tell you the exact date. It was in 1966 for sure.<br>> > ><br>> > > Dwight<br>> > ><br>> > > ----- Original Message ----- <br>> > > From: "Bob Rathke" <bobrathke@comcast.net><br>> > > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"<br>> > > <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><br>> > > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 1:17 PM<br>> > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old<br>> > > andabandonedbuildings in Western Pa.<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> Dwight,<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> There was a Brass Rail on E. Ohio St. Did you skip the se cond half of <br>> > >> the<br>> > >> "last trolley day" on 4/3 0/66?<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> That night I rode the last 21-Fine view car out to Fineview and back to<br>> > >> downtown, then caught the last 6/14 trolley and rode out to Avalon and<br>> > >> back. I took the attached photo as a group of fans on Penn Ave. made <br>> > >> the<br>> > >> dash to board 1799.<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> Bob<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong@verizon.net><br>> > >> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"<br>> > >> <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><br>> > >> Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 11:43:33 AM<br>> > >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old and<br>> > >> abandonedbuildings in Western Pa.<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> Bob<br>> > >><br>> > >> My last (somewhat faint) memory of the Brass Rail is consuming mass<br>> > >> quantities of beer in one of their outlets after I had ridden the last<br>> > >> ever Rt. 21 Fineview car,<br>> > >><br>> > >> Dwight<br>> > >><br>> > >> From: Bob Rathke<br>> > >> Sent: Monday, 08 April, 2013 12:23<br>> > >> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>> > >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old and<br>> > >> abandonedbuildings in Western Pa.<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> Fred,<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> While you're remembering Fifth and Liberty Avenues, don't forget Frank <br>> > >> &<br>> > >> Seder, Spear and May Stern department/furniture stores. Also 5&10's <br>> > >> G.C.<br>> > >> Murphy and Grants; the Brass Rail and Bards (similar to Isaly's, but <br>> > >> Bard<br>> > >> stores were in the neighborhoods, not downtown ).<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> My grandmother worked at Rosenbaums before she was married. The <br>> > >> Rosenbaum<br>> > >> building was a solid structure , and it took months to dem olish it <br>> > >> before<br>> > >> they could start building the parking garage that's on the site now. My<br>> > >> grandfather worked at Boggs & Buhl and was an office boy for R.H. <br>> > >> Boggs,<br>> > >> but his family encouraged him to leave the store and learn a trade. The<br>> > >> R.H. Boggs home on the Mexican War Streets is now a B&B.<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> My paternal great grandfather was fire engineer at the City of <br>> > >> Allegheny<br>> > >> fire station No. 2 on Concord St. from 1868 to the early 1900's (see<br>> > >> attached photo). I also have a photo of him working in Johnstown after <br>> > >> the<br>> > >> 1889 flood (I assume that Allegheny sent fireman to Johnstown to help<br>> > >> out). And I have copies of his Civil War records and pension.<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> About the Brass Rail: the restaurants had a large (probably 5 'X10 ') <br>> > >> copy<br>> > >> of a painting behi nd the bar. The painting depicted a 1930-style bus, <br>> > >> but<br>> > >> the bus was five stories tall and looked like a cruise ship on wheels. <br>> > >> The<br>> > >> title of the painting was, "A bus salesman's dream in 1960". I wonder <br>> > >> if<br>> > >> that painting survived the restaurants.<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> Bob<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider@comcast.net><br>> > >> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"<br>> > >> <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><br>> > >> Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 10:43:23 AM<br>> > >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old and <br>> > >> abandoned<br>> > >> buildings in Western Pa.<br>> > >><br>> > >> You know you are old, Bob, when someone asks "What's a McCrorys?" Think <br>> > >> of<br>> > >> all those old store names that are no longer there. I will confine <br>> > >> myself<br>> > >> to western Pennsylvania … Woolworths, Gimbels, Kaufmans, Joseph Horne,<br>> > >> Rosenbaums, Boggs and Buhl, Isalys.<br>> > >><br>> > >> Yup…. And you now have to be in your 40s to understand what communism <br>> > >> was<br>> > >> like in eastern Europe. In a way, I guess I am rather glad that I<br>> > >> vacationed in East Germany before the wall came down and saw it. I <br>> > >> guess,<br>> > >> as ugly as history can be, I guess it was also good for me that I<br>> > >> experienced the segregated southern states … black and white drinking<br>> > >> fountains, toilets, restaurants, etc.<br>> > >><br>> > >> Now, how the hell do I explain to my granddaughter and her husband, who <br>> > >> is<br>> > >> of African descent, what it would have been like living in this country <br>> > >> 60<br>> > >> or more years ago?<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> On Apr 4, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:<br>> > >><br>> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> > >>> Here's a Facebook page containing photos of old and abondoned <br>> > >>> structures<br>> > >>> in Western Pa. It contains a few rail photos. I've posted some of my<br>> > >>> 1956-82 photos in the section for, "Recent posts by others".<br>> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> > >>> See:<br>> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> > >>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Abandoned-Old-Interesting-Places-Western-PA/237114536307967?sk=photos#!/pages/Abandoned-Old-Interesting-Places-Western-PA/237114536307967<br>> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- <br>> > >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > >>> URL:<br>> > >>> http://mailman.dementix.org/pipermail/pittsburgh-railways/attachments/20130404/4c24eaae/attachment.html<br>> > >>> _______________________________________________<br>> > >>> Pittsburgh-railways mailing list<br>> > >>> Pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<br>> > >>> https://mailman.dementix.org/mailman/listinfo/pittsburgh-railways<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> _______________________________________________<br>> > >> 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