Hah, Fort Duquesne Bridge wasn't done so in the first picture the rightmost exit was the "Point Exit"<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:31 AM, Bob Rathke <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net" target="_blank">bobrathke@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Such rerouting was not uncommon in February -M ar ch in Pi ttsburgh. On March 11, 19 64 during flooding of the P&LE station I photographed B&O Washington-Chicago trains relocated to the B&O station on Grant St.. See attached photos of the flooding along Ft. Pitt Blvd. and the Parkway (looking west from the Smithfield St. Bridge), an d set-out cars from B&O trains 7-8 (Sh enandoah) and 9-10 (Washington-Chicago Express) in the B&O station. that day.<br>
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</div>From: "Dwight Long" <<a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</a>><br>
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</div>Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:06:54 PM<br>
<div><div class="h5">Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line<br>
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Bob<br>
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In early 1959 I rode a very late running Capital Ltd/Columbian out of Grant<br>
Street Station to Balto. It had come in over the P&W account flooding on<br>
the P&LE.<br>
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Dwight<br>
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From: "Bob Rathke" <<a href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</a>><br>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"<br>
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Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 9:46 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line<br>
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> I'm not sure if it was called, "commuter service", but in the T eens and T<br>
> wenties - and well into the 40's - the B&O had regional passenger service<br>
> f rom Pittsburgh to Butler and New Castle via Zelien ople . In the 20's t<br>
> he branch to But ler diverted from the B&O mainline south of Evans City<br>
> near Callery, and by the 40' s the line to Butler diverted from the<br>
> mainline at Eidenau which is just northwest of Evans City. Between<br>
> Pittsburgh and Callery/Eidenau the B&O served passengers at places like<br>
> Etna, Allison Park, Glenshaw, Gibsonia, Mars and Vanencia.<br>
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> Until the early 30's, the B&O's Washington D.C. to Chicago mainline<br>
> passenger t rains ran between Pittsburgh and New Castle via the Evans City<br>
> line. After that time, the B&O's Washington-Chicago passenger trains had<br>
> trackage rights over the P&LE between McKeesport and New Cas tle. And, for<br>
> a time in the late 1980's and early 90's some Pittsburgh-Chicago Amtrak<br>
> trains used the line through Evan City.<br>
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> Bob<br>
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> From: "Schneider, Fred" <<a href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">fwschneider@comcast.net</a>><br>
> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 8:01:18 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line<br>
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> No way I can trump "not in Harmony" with "travel to Mars." Yins are being<br>
> very punny.<br>
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> Me thinks there were too many old timers who wanted to stay back in 1915<br>
> but didn't understand that by 1931 almost all the rural families had a<br>
> motor car (or as it was called in eastern Pennsylvania, a machine). Of<br>
> those 70,000 people, I'll bet if you looked at the passenger revenues<br>
> collected versus the one-way fare from Pittsburgh to Butler and the total<br>
> passengers carried, you might find the same thing I did analyzing the<br>
> Lancaster system and that is that most passengers were only riding a<br>
> couple of miles. In the case of the Harmony route, I'd almost be willing<br>
> to bet that the cars were empty on most trips through the middle of the<br>
> route and that most passengers rode only for a mile or two into Butler, or<br>
> the last couple miles from Allison Park or Glenshaw into Etna.<br>
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> I have no clue what kind of railroad commuter service the B&O had then …<br>
> that's Bob Rathke's area … but I suspect even in the teens the people who<br>
> wanted to go from Butler to Pittsburgh used the mainline trains because<br>
> they were faster.<br>
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> On Apr 29, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Dwight Long wrote:<br>
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>> Ed<br>
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>> Yes, it is quite true. Their (PRC) views were not in Harmony with folks<br>
>> trying to save the interurbans.<br>
>><br>
>> Dwight<br>
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>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <<a href="mailto:trams2@comcast.net">trams2@comcast.net</a>><br>
>> To: "'Western PA Trolley discussion'"<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:42 PM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line<br>
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>>> PRCo didn't have any money, either. I don't think they were interested<br>
>>> in<br>
>>> travel to Mars.<br>
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>>> Ed<br>
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>>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
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>>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 2:21 PM<br>
>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>
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>>> Subject: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line<br>
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>>> Pittsburgh Railways is asked to take over the line.<br>
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>>> Matt<br>
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