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<P>Such rerouting was not uncommon in February-March in Pittsburgh. On March 11, 1964 during flooding of the P&LE station I photographed B&O Washington-Chicago trains relocated to the B&O station on Grant St.. See attached photos of the flooding along Ft. Pitt Blvd. and the Parkway (looking west from the Smithfield St. Bridge), and set-out cars from B&O trains 7-8 (Shenandoah) and 9-10 (Washington-Chicago Express) in the B&O station. that day.</P>
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<P><B>From: </B>"Dwight Long" <dwightlong@verizon.net><BR><B>To: </B>"Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR><B>Sent: </B>Monday, April 29, 2013 10:06:54 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line<BR><BR><BR>Bob<BR><BR>In early 1959 I rode a very late running Capital Ltd/Columbian out of Grant <BR>Street Station to Balto. It had come in over the P&W account flooding on <BR>the P&LE.<BR><BR>Dwight<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Bob Rathke" <bobrathke@comcast.net><BR>To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <BR><pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR>Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 9:46 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line<BR><BR><BR>><BR>><BR>> I'm not sure if it was called, "commuter service", but in the T eens and T <BR>> wenties - and well into the 40's - the B&O had regional passenger service <BR>> f rom Pittsburgh to Butler and New Castle via Zelien ople . In the 20's t <BR>> he branch to But ler diverted from the B&O mainline south of Evans City <BR>> near Callery, and by the 40' s the line to Butler diverted from the <BR>> mainline at Eidenau which is just northwest of Evans City. Between <BR>> Pittsburgh and Callery/Eidenau the B&O served passengers at places like <BR>> Etna, Allison Park, Glenshaw, Gibsonia, Mars and Vanencia.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Until the early 30's, the B&O's Washington D.C. to Chicago mainline <BR>> passenger t rains ran between Pittsburgh and New Castle via the Evans City <BR>> line. After that time, the B&O's Washington-Chicago passenger trains had <BR>> trackage rights over the P&LE between McKeesport and New Cas tle. And, for <BR>> a time in the late 1980's and early 90's some Pittsburgh-Chicago Amtrak <BR>> trains used the line through Evan City.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Bob<BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>><BR>><BR>> From: "Schneider, Fred" <fwschneider@comcast.net><BR>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <BR>> <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 8:01:18 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line<BR>><BR>><BR>> No way I can trump "not in Harmony" with "travel to Mars." Yins are being <BR>> very punny.<BR>><BR>> Me thinks there were too many old timers who wanted to stay back in 1915 <BR>> but didn't understand that by 1931 almost all the rural families had a <BR>> motor car (or as it was called in eastern Pennsylvania, a machine). Of <BR>> those 70,000 people, I'll bet if you looked at the passenger revenues <BR>> collected versus the one-way fare from Pittsburgh to Butler and the total <BR>> passengers carried, you might find the same thing I did analyzing the <BR>> Lancaster system and that is that most passengers were only riding a <BR>> couple of miles. In the case of the Harmony route, I'd almost be willing <BR>> to bet that the cars were empty on most trips through the middle of the <BR>> route and that most passengers rode only for a mile or two into Butler, or <BR>> the last couple miles from Allison Park or Glenshaw into Etna.<BR>><BR>> I have no clue what kind of railroad commuter service the B&O had then … <BR>> that's Bob Rathke's area … but I suspect even in the teens the people who <BR>> wanted to go from Butler to Pittsburgh used the mainline trains because <BR>> they were faster.<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Dwight Long wrote:<BR>><BR>>><BR>>> Ed<BR>>><BR>>> Yes, it is quite true. Their (PRC) views were not in Harmony with folks<BR>>> trying to save the interurbans.<BR>>><BR>>> Dwight<BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>> From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2@comcast.net><BR>>> To: "'Western PA Trolley discussion'"<BR>>> <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR>>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:42 PM<BR>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>> PRCo didn't have any money, either. I don't think they were interested <BR>>>> in<BR>>>> travel to Mars.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Ed<BR>>>><BR>>>> -----Original Message----- <BR>>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org<BR>>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of<BR>>>> Barry, Matthew R<BR>>>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 2:21 PM<BR>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>>>> (pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org)<BR>>>> Subject: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line<BR>>>><BR>>>> Pittsburgh Railways is asked to take over the line.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Matt<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> -------------- next part -------------- <BR>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>>>> URL:<BR>>>> http://mailman.dementix.org/pipermail/pittsburgh-railways/attachments/201304<BR>>>> 29/404e224c/attachment.html<BR>>>> -------------- next part -------------- <BR>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<BR>>>> Name: ButlerLine_APRIL_18_1931.jpg<BR>>>> Type: image/jpeg<BR>>>> Size: 606027 bytes<BR>>>> Desc: ButlerLine_APRIL_18_1931.jpg<BR>>>> Url :<BR>>>> http://mailman.dementix.org/pipermail/pittsburgh-railways/attachments/201304<BR>>>> 29/404e224c/attachment.jpg<BR>>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>>> Pittsburgh-railways mailing list<BR>>>> Pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>>>> https://mailman.dementix.org/mailman/listinfo/pittsburgh-railways<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>>> Pittsburgh-railways mailing list<BR>>>> Pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>>>> https://mailman.dementix.org/mailman/listinfo/pittsburgh-railways<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>> Pittsburgh-railways mailing list<BR>>> Pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>>> https://mailman.dementix.org/mailman/listinfo/pittsburgh-railways<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Pittsburgh-railways mailing list<BR>> Pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>> https://mailman.dementix.org/mailman/listinfo/pittsburgh-railways<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> -------------- next part --------------<BR>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> URL: <BR>> http://mailman.dementix.org/pipermail/pittsburgh-railways/attachments/20130430/bb2c2727/attachment.html<BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Pittsburgh-railways mailing list<BR>> Pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>> https://mailman.dementix.org/mailman/listinfo/pittsburgh-railways<BR>> <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Pittsburgh-railways mailing list<BR>Pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>https://mailman.dementix.org/mailman/listinfo/pittsburgh-railways<BR></P></div>
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