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<B>From: </B>"Dwight Long" <dwightlong@verizon.net><BR><B>To: </B>"Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR><B>Sent: </B>Monday, April 29, 2013 8:51:01 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line<BR><BR><BR>Fred<BR><BR>On my very first enthusiast tour (West Penn in July 1952) my transportation <BR>to and from Latrobe was provided by Chuck England (RIP) who told me he was <BR>taking his "machine" to Latrobe and I was welcome to go along. I had no <BR>idea what he was talking about!<BR><BR>So the idiom was not confined to Eastern Pa.<BR><BR>Dwight<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider@comcast.net><BR>To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <BR><pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR>Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 9:01 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line<BR><BR><BR><BR>No way I can trump "not in Harmony" with "travel to Mars." Yins are being <BR>very punny.<BR><BR>Me thinks there were too many old timers who wanted to stay back in 1915 but <BR>didn't understand that by 1931 almost all the rural families had a motor car <BR>(or as it was called in eastern Pennsylvania, a machine). Of those 70,000 <BR>people, I'll bet if you looked at the passenger revenues collected versus <BR>the one-way fare from Pittsburgh to Butler and the total passengers carried, <BR>you might find the same thing I did analyzing the Lancaster system and that <BR>is that most passengers were only riding a couple of miles. In the case of <BR>the Harmony route, I'd almost be willing to bet that the cars were empty on <BR>most trips through the middle of the route and that most passengers rode <BR>only for a mile or two into Butler, or the last couple miles from Allison <BR>Park or Glenshaw into Etna.<BR><BR>I have no clue what kind of railroad commuter service the B&O had then … <BR>that's Bob Rathke's area … but I suspect even in the teens the people who <BR>wanted to go from Butler to Pittsburgh used the mainline trains because they <BR>were faster.<BR><BR><BR>On Apr 29, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Dwight Long wrote:<BR><BR>><BR>> Ed<BR>><BR>> Yes, it is quite true. Their (PRC) views were not in Harmony with folks<BR>> trying to save the interurbans.<BR>><BR>> Dwight<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2@comcast.net><BR>> To: "'Western PA Trolley discussion'"<BR>> <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:42 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line<BR>><BR>><BR>>> PRCo didn't have any money, either. I don't think they were interested <BR>>> in<BR>>> travel to Mars.<BR>>><BR>>> Ed<BR>>><BR>>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org<BR>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of<BR>>> Barry, Matthew R<BR>>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 2:21 PM<BR>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>>> (pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org)<BR>>> Subject: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line<BR>>><BR>>> Pittsburgh Railways is asked to take over the line.<BR>>><BR>>> Matt<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> -------------- next part --------------<BR>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>>> URL:<BR>>> http://mailman.dementix.org/pipermail/pittsburgh-railways/attachments/201304<BR>>> 29/404e224c/attachment.html<BR>>> -------------- next part --------------<BR>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<BR>>> Name: ButlerLine_APRIL_18_1931.jpg<BR>>> Type: image/jpeg<BR>>> Size: 606027 bytes<BR>>> Desc: ButlerLine_APRIL_18_1931.jpg<BR>>> Url :<BR>>> http://mailman.dementix.org/pipermail/pittsburgh-railways/attachments/201304<BR>>> 29/404e224c/attachment.jpg<BR>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>> Pittsburgh-railways mailing list<BR>>> Pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>>> https://mailman.dementix.org/mailman/listinfo/pittsburgh-railways<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>> Pittsburgh-railways mailing list<BR>>> Pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>>> https://mailman.dementix.org/mailman/listinfo/pittsburgh-railways<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Pittsburgh-railways mailing list<BR>> Pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>> https://mailman.dementix.org/mailman/listinfo/pittsburgh-railways<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Pittsburgh-railways mailing list<BR>Pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>https://mailman.dementix.org/mailman/listinfo/pittsburgh-railways <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Pittsburgh-railways mailing list<BR>Pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>https://mailman.dementix.org/mailman/listinfo/pittsburgh-railways<BR></div>
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