<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>The area northeast of the East St. Bridge was called Summer Hill - this area was lightly populated, and was between City View View and Reserve Townbship, but after the public housing development there in 1961-62, Summer Hill became known as Northview Heights.<BR><BR>
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<B>From: </B>"BobDietrich" <bob.dietrich1@verizon.net><BR><B>To: </B>"Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR><B>Sent: </B>Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:06:56 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map<BR><BR>There is a recent history of "Allegheny City: A History of Pittsburgh's<BR>North Side" available from Amazon and others. It gets into all the NortSide<BR>neighborhoods, how the formed and who lived there. Not much on streetcars<BR>but there is a photo of Derrick's ancestor. <BR><BR>Bob <BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org<BR>[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Fred<BR>Schneider<BR>Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:31 PM<BR>To: Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>Subject: Re: [PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map<BR><BR>Destination 21 Fineview was route 125 Nunnery Hill. You are correct.<BR>This line was built in 1908 and later.<BR><BR>The observatory that Derrick's ancestor created on top of the hill was part<BR>of the Western University of Pennsylvania that moved to Oakland and was<BR>renamed University of Pittsburgh. I think the university move took place<BR>just after the City of Allegheny became part of Pittsburgh. So that would<BR>probably be 1910 or earlier. Look it up in Wikipedia.<BR><BR>Destination 8 Perrysville was route 106 Perrysville Avenue. It began in<BR>December 1887 or February 1888 (I have two conflicting dates) from North<BR>Avenue over Federal Street as far as the Perrysville Plank Road under the<BR>name Observatory Hill Passenger Railway using underground power distribution<BR>(conduit). In 1889 it became part of the Federal Street and Pleasant<BR>Valley Railway.<BR>By 1902 it was running as far as the East Street Extension.<BR><BR>The observatory appears off Observatory Ave east of Perrysville on plate 5.<BR>Plate 4 may also be useful.<BR><BR>http://digital.library.pitt.edu/maps/90v01ind.html<BR><BR>http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?view=entry;cc=maps;<BR>entryid=x-90v01p05<BR><BR>I think this clearly demonstrates, gentlemen, that what we are now calling<BR>Fineview and which was called Nunnery Hill after it became part of<BR>Pittsburgh, was Observatory Hill when it was the City of Allegheny.<BR><BR>Eventually another observatory was erected on the northeast side of<BR>Riverview Park . I think it is Observatory Street off Perrysville Avenue .<BR>it is near the north end of Watson Blvd. That would account for people not<BR>knowing where the original Observatory Hill Passenger Railway ran. <BR><BR><BR><BR>On May 30, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Bob Rathke wrote:<BR><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> My grandparents always referred to Fineview as Nunn ery Hill. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider@comcast.net><BR>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <BR>> <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR>> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:36:38 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I have a problem with the south side. Mt. Oliver is an independent<BR>borough but the map shows it as part of the city. It is that area<BR>surrounded by Knoxville, Carrick, Beltzhoover (not named), Arlington,<BR>Allentown, and the slopes. <BR>> <BR>> East End? The Lower Hill District used to be considered separate from<BR>the Hill District. Highland Park is a city park. Should that not be<BR>considered Highland. Brushton is missing. <BR>> <BR>> I have a feeling in my gut that neighborhoods are being moved because we<BR>have no memory of where they were. Have we forgotten places like Glenwood?<BR>Do Lincoln or Larimer actually touch Shadyside? Should not Homewood touch<BR>S'Liberty? <BR>> <BR>> In the northside? As we redeveloped it, we put new names on an old city.<BR>The entire north side was the City of Allegheny until the City of Pittsburgh<BR>orchestrated a takeover in nineteen aught and seven. Now we have created<BR>areas called West Allegheny, Allegheny Center and East Allegheny and North<BR>Shore? Huh? I though they were just the Northside? And how did<BR>Observatory Hill get moved all the way out to the city boundary? Seems to<BR>me the old Observatory run by Mr. Brashaer at the college was in the<BR>Fineview District????? That area they are calling Observatory Hill<BR>includes what we would have called Riverview Park and even far beyond that.<BR><BR>> <BR>> But we have the same problem in a lot of cities. Here in Lancaster<BR>County there were three villages on route 23 northeast of Lancaster:<BR>Leacock, Leola and Bareville in order as you go northeast. Today no one<BR>seems to know where they were and we have moved them and overlapped them and<BR>in some cases you will find businesses in one village named after a town<BR>five miles away. We don't remember. <BR>> <BR>> Try this map<BR>> <BR>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/76/Pittsburgh_Pennsylvania_<BR>> neighborhoods_fade.svg<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On May 28, 2013, at 10:52 PM, Herb Brannon wrote: <BR>> <BR>>> Can anyone remember the East End neighborhood which is not listed on <BR>>> this map?<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran@cavtel.net> wrote:<BR><BR>>> <BR>>>> The last post made mention of a district of Pittsburgh called the <BR>>>> Flats, actually named South Side Flats. This is in opposition to <BR>>>> another neighborhood named South Side Slopes.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> I have attached a map of Pittsburgh neighborhoods since some areas <BR>>>> now have new names and some areas which never had names now do have<BR>names.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> --<BR>>>> Herb Brannon<BR>>>> Back In The Burgh ! <BR>>>> GO PENS ! <BR>>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> --<BR>>> Herb Brannon<BR>>> Back In The Burgh ! <BR>>> GO PENS ! <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was <BR>>> scrubbed...<BR>>> URL: <BR>>> http://mailman.dementix.org/pipermail/pittsburgh-railways/attachments<BR>>> /20130528/ae5968b0/attachment.html<BR>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>> Pittsburgh-railways mailing list<BR>>> Pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>>> https://mailman.dementix.org/mailman/listinfo/pittsburgh-railways<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was <BR>> scrubbed...<BR>> URL: <BR>> http://mailman.dementix.org/pipermail/pittsburgh-railways/attachments/<BR>> 20130529/30f0391f/attachment.html <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Pittsburgh-railways mailing list<BR>> Pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>> https://mailman.dementix.org/mailman/listinfo/pittsburgh-railways<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was <BR>> scrubbed...<BR>> URL: <BR>> http://mailman.dementix.org/pipermail/pittsburgh-railways/attachments/<BR>> 20130530/402ce577/attachment.html <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Pittsburgh-railways mailing list<BR>> Pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>> https://mailman.dementix.org/mailman/listinfo/pittsburgh-railways<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Pittsburgh-railways mailing list<BR>Pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>https://mailman.dementix.org/mailman/listinfo/pittsburgh-railways<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Pittsburgh-railways mailing list<BR>Pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>https://mailman.dementix.org/mailman/listinfo/pittsburgh-railways<BR></div>
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