<div dir="ltr">Ross Garage bus drivers usually referred to Northview Heights as Murder Heights. The Devil made me say that............but it's true.<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Bob Rathke <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net" target="_blank">bobrathke@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The area northeast of the East St. Bridge was called Summer Hill - this area was lightly populated, and was between City View View and Reserve Townbship, but after the public housing development there in 1961-62, Summer Hill became known as Northview Heights.<br>
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Subject: Re: [PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map<br>
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There is a recent history of "Allegheny City: A History of Pittsburgh's<br>
North Side" available from Amazon and others. It gets into all the NortSide<br>
neighborhoods, how the formed and who lived there. Not much on streetcars<br>
but there is a photo of Derrick's ancestor. <br>
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Bob<br>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org" target="_blank">pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org</a>] On Behalf Of Fred<br>
Schneider<br>
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:31 PM<br>
To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map<br>
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Destination 21 Fineview was route 125 Nunnery Hill. You are correct.<br>
This line was built in 1908 and later.<br>
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The observatory that Derrick's ancestor created on top of the hill was part<br>
of the Western University of Pennsylvania that moved to Oakland and was<br>
renamed University of Pittsburgh. I think the university move took place<br>
just after the City of Allegheny became part of Pittsburgh. So that would<br>
probably be 1910 or earlier. Look it up in Wikipedia.<br>
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Destination 8 Perrysville was route 106 Perrysville Avenue. It began in<br>
December 1887 or February 1888 (I have two conflicting dates) from North<br>
Avenue over Federal Street as far as the Perrysville Plank Road under the<br>
name Observatory Hill Passenger Railway using underground power distribution<br>
(conduit). In 1889 it became part of the Federal Street and Pleasant<br>
Valley Railway.<br>
By 1902 it was running as far as the East Street Extension.<br>
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The observatory appears off Observatory Ave east of Perrysville on plate 5.<br>
Plate 4 may also be useful.<br>
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<a href="http://digital.library.pitt.edu/maps/90v01ind.html" target="_blank">http://digital.library.pitt.edu/maps/90v01ind.html</a><br>
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<a href="http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?view=entry;cc=maps" target="_blank">http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?view=entry;cc=maps</a>;<br>
entryid=x-90v01p05<br>
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I think this clearly demonstrates, gentlemen, that what we are now calling<br>
Fineview and which was called Nunnery Hill after it became part of<br>
Pittsburgh, was Observatory Hill when it was the City of Allegheny.<br>
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Eventually another observatory was erected on the northeast side of<br>
Riverview Park . I think it is Observatory Street off Perrysville Avenue .<br>
it is near the north end of Watson Blvd. That would account for people not<br>
knowing where the original Observatory Hill Passenger Railway ran. <br>
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On May 30, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Bob Rathke wrote:<br>
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> My grandparents always referred to Fineview as Nunn ery Hill.<br>
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> From: "Fred Schneider" <<a href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net" target="_blank">fwschneider@comcast.net</a>><br>
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> I have a problem with the south side. Mt. Oliver is an independent<br>
borough but the map shows it as part of the city. It is that area<br>
surrounded by Knoxville, Carrick, Beltzhoover (not named), Arlington,<br>
Allentown, and the slopes. <br>
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> East End? The Lower Hill District used to be considered separate from<br>
the Hill District. Highland Park is a city park. Should that not be<br>
considered Highland. Brushton is missing. <br>
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> I have a feeling in my gut that neighborhoods are being moved because we<br>
have no memory of where they were. Have we forgotten places like Glenwood?<br>
Do Lincoln or Larimer actually touch Shadyside? Should not Homewood touch<br>
S'Liberty? <br>
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> In the northside? As we redeveloped it, we put new names on an old city.<br>
The entire north side was the City of Allegheny until the City of Pittsburgh<br>
orchestrated a takeover in nineteen aught and seven. Now we have created<br>
areas called West Allegheny, Allegheny Center and East Allegheny and North<br>
Shore? Huh? I though they were just the Northside? And how did<br>
Observatory Hill get moved all the way out to the city boundary? Seems to<br>
me the old Observatory run by Mr. Brashaer at the college was in the<br>
Fineview District????? That area they are calling Observatory Hill<br>
includes what we would have called Riverview Park and even far beyond that.<br>
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> But we have the same problem in a lot of cities. Here in Lancaster<br>
County there were three villages on route 23 northeast of Lancaster:<br>
Leacock, Leola and Bareville in order as you go northeast. Today no one<br>
seems to know where they were and we have moved them and overlapped them and<br>
in some cases you will find businesses in one village named after a town<br>
five miles away. We don't remember. <br>
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> Try this map<br>
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> <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/76/Pittsburgh_Pennsylvania_" target="_blank">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/76/Pittsburgh_Pennsylvania_</a><br>
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> On May 28, 2013, at 10:52 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:<br>
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>> Can anyone remember the East End neighborhood which is not listed on<br>
>> this map?<br>
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>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Herb Brannon <<a href="mailto:hrbran@cavtel.net" target="_blank">hrbran@cavtel.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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>>> The last post made mention of a district of Pittsburgh called the<br>
>>> Flats, actually named South Side Flats. This is in opposition to<br>
>>> another neighborhood named South Side Slopes.<br>
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>>> I have attached a map of Pittsburgh neighborhoods since some areas<br>
>>> now have new names and some areas which never had names now do have<br>
names.<br>
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>>> Herb Brannon<br>
>>> Back In The Burgh !<br>
>>> GO PENS !<br>
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