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<B>From: </B>"Fred Schneider" <fwschneider@comcast.net><BR><B>To: </B>"Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR><B>Sent: </B>Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:41:03 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map<BR><BR>We do things like that, don't we, Bob. <BR><BR><BR>On May 30, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:<BR><BR>> The area northeast of the East St. Bridge was called Summer Hill - this area was lightly populated, and was between City View View and Reserve Townbship, but after the public housing development there in 1961-62, Summer Hill became known as Northview Heights. <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: "BobDietrich" <bob.dietrich1@verizon.net> <BR>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org> <BR>> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:06:56 PM <BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map <BR>> <BR>> There is a recent history of "Allegheny City: A History of Pittsburgh's <BR>> North Side" available from Amazon and others. It gets into all the NortSide <BR>> neighborhoods, how the formed and who lived there. Not much on streetcars <BR>> but there is a photo of Derrick's ancestor. <BR>> <BR>> Bob <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org <BR>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Fred <BR>> Schneider <BR>> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:31 PM <BR>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion <BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map <BR>> <BR>> Destination 21 Fineview was route 125 Nunnery Hill. You are correct. <BR>> This line was built in 1908 and later. <BR>> <BR>> The observatory that Derrick's ancestor created on top of the hill was part <BR>> of the Western University of Pennsylvania that moved to Oakland and was <BR>> renamed University of Pittsburgh. I think the university move took place <BR>> just after the City of Allegheny became part of Pittsburgh. So that would <BR>> probably be 1910 or earlier. Look it up in Wikipedia. <BR>> <BR>> Destination 8 Perrysville was route 106 Perrysville Avenue. It began in <BR>> December 1887 or February 1888 (I have two conflicting dates) from North <BR>> Avenue over Federal Street as far as the Perrysville Plank Road under the <BR>> name Observatory Hill Passenger Railway using underground power distribution <BR>> (conduit). In 1889 it became part of the Federal Street and Pleasant <BR>> Valley Railway. <BR>> By 1902 it was running as far as the East Street Extension. <BR>> <BR>> The observatory appears off Observatory Ave east of Perrysville on plate 5. <BR>> Plate 4 may also be useful. <BR>> <BR>> http://digital.library.pitt.edu/maps/90v01ind.html <BR>> <BR>> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?view=entry;cc=maps; <BR>> entryid=x-90v01p05 <BR>> <BR>> I think this clearly demonstrates, gentlemen, that what we are now calling <BR>> Fineview and which was called Nunnery Hill after it became part of <BR>> Pittsburgh, was Observatory Hill when it was the City of Allegheny. <BR>> <BR>> Eventually another observatory was erected on the northeast side of <BR>> Riverview Park . I think it is Observatory Street off Perrysville Avenue . <BR>> it is near the north end of Watson Blvd. That would account for people not <BR>> knowing where the original Observatory Hill Passenger Railway ran. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On May 30, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Bob Rathke wrote: <BR>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> My grandparents always referred to Fineview as Nunn ery Hill. <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider@comcast.net> <BR>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <BR>>> <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org> <BR>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:36:38 AM <BR>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> I have a problem with the south side. Mt. Oliver is an independent <BR>> borough but the map shows it as part of the city. It is that area <BR>> surrounded by Knoxville, Carrick, Beltzhoover (not named), Arlington, <BR>> Allentown, and the slopes. <BR>>> <BR>>> East End? The Lower Hill District used to be considered separate from <BR>> the Hill District. Highland Park is a city park. Should that not be <BR>> considered Highland. Brushton is missing. <BR>>> <BR>>> I have a feeling in my gut that neighborhoods are being moved because we <BR>> have no memory of where they were. Have we forgotten places like Glenwood? <BR>> Do Lincoln or Larimer actually touch Shadyside? Should not Homewood touch <BR>> S'Liberty? <BR>>> <BR>>> In the northside? As we redeveloped it, we put new names on an old city. <BR>> The entire north side was the City of Allegheny until the City of Pittsburgh <BR>> orchestrated a takeover in nineteen aught and seven. Now we have created <BR>> areas called West Allegheny, Allegheny Center and East Allegheny and North <BR>> Shore? Huh? I though they were just the Northside? And how did <BR>> Observatory Hill get moved all the way out to the city boundary? Seems to <BR>> me the old Observatory run by Mr. Brashaer at the college was in the <BR>> Fineview District????? That area they are calling Observatory Hill <BR>> includes what we would have called Riverview Park and even far beyond that. <BR>> <BR>>> <BR>>> But we have the same problem in a lot of cities. Here in Lancaster <BR>> County there were three villages on route 23 northeast of Lancaster: <BR>> Leacock, Leola and Bareville in order as you go northeast. Today no one <BR>> seems to know where they were and we have moved them and overlapped them and <BR>> in some cases you will find businesses in one village named after a town <BR>> five miles away. We don't remember. <BR>>> <BR>>> Try this map <BR>>> <BR>>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/76/Pittsburgh_Pennsylvania_ <BR>>> neighborhoods_fade.svg <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> On May 28, 2013, at 10:52 PM, Herb Brannon wrote: <BR>>> <BR>>>> Can anyone remember the East End neighborhood which is not listed on <BR>>>> this map? <BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran@cavtel.net> wrote: <BR>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>>> The last post made mention of a district of Pittsburgh called the <BR>>>>> Flats, actually named South Side Flats. 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