<div dir="ltr">It's a "mill tripper" for shift change at the mills in W. Homestead, Homestead and Braddock. The buses ran the same trips in the 1970s. I worked a 64A-E. Liberty/Homestead bus which ran the same route as the former streetcar route 60. The normal outer end was Munhall Loop. However, my last trip at night was extended from Munhall Loop to the Rankin Bridge and across the river to the "cloverleaf" on the Rankin side. It was signed up 64-A E. Lib/Homestead - Rankin. I met up with a 61B (former trolley route 67) outbound bus under the bridge ramps and transferred mill workers to that bus. That got them to the mills on Talbot Avenue. PATransit continued most of the mill extensions and trippers since they were used and the mills were going full blast in the 1970s.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Ray <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rayprco53@verizon.net" target="_blank">rayprco53@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Regarding 55A, roll sign reads Homestead Braddock via 2 Ave. What is missing is E. Pgh. So i would assume it went to Braddock. Thats the pictures that i have. Is the rollsign maybe a fan trip sign?<br>
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Dwight Long <<a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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>Ray<br>
><br>
>I don't understand the question. It used the Munhall loop to turn back<br>
>toward Pittsburgh, just as the 65 used it to turn back to Lincoln Place.<br>
>55A did not go to Braddock. That was the 55 itself.<br>
><br>
>Dwight<br>
><br>
>----- Original Message -----<br>
>From: "Ray" <<a href="mailto:rayprco53@verizon.net">rayprco53@verizon.net</a>><br>
>To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"<br>
><<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 5:01 PM<br>
>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>
><br>
><br>
>> Regarding 55A, how was the turn around Munhall loop? If it was how did it<br>
>> get to Braddock?<br>
>><br>
>> Sent from my LG Smartphone on Sprint<br>
>><br>
>> Dwight Long <<a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>><br>
>>>Ray<br>
>>><br>
>>>Same as 55, except outer end was Munhall Loop (and in summers 1958 and<br>
>>>prior<br>
>>>at Kennywood Park).<br>
>>><br>
>>>Dwight<br>
>>>----- Original Message -----<br>
>>>From: "Lattner, Raymond" <<a href="mailto:rlattner@pa.gov">rlattner@pa.gov</a>><br>
>>>To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"<br>
>>><<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:50 PM<br>
>>>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> Since you guys brought up routes 65 and 55 trackage, can someone provide<br>
>>>> the route of 55A?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Thanks.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Yes, I now agree probably a coal rr on that side.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Oh one more thing, I was going through all my photos and I do not have a<br>
>>>> low floor type car with<br>
>>>> a Forbes Field destination. Has anyone seen a photo of a low floor type<br>
>>>> car with this destination?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Thanks again.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Ray<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>> From: <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org</a><br>
>>>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
>>>> John Swindler<br>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:36 PM<br>
>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>
>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Wasn't the 65 extension via Rankin Bridge to E. Pgh. when 58 and 55<br>
>>>> converted to bus by PAT??? Might be due to Glenwood bridge - or might<br>
>>>> have been due to repaving of last mile of Second Ave. track east of<br>
>>>> Greenfield Ave.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Going to guess summer of 1964. PAT had bought 150 new GM buses, but<br>
>>>> story<br>
>>>> I heard was that some of the buses from independents were much worse<br>
>>>> than<br>
>>>> expected. Otherwise 65 would not have lasted a bit longer.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> There was an 'owl' car that ran S. Hills. Jct. out Second Ave. to<br>
>>>> Munhall<br>
>>>> Loop (E. Pgh???) , then to Lincoln Place, back to Munhall and then<br>
>>>> returned to S. Hills. Jct. There were a bunch of PRMA members on that<br>
>>>> last trip, but I managed to doze off around 4 a.m. and have no<br>
>>>> recollection passing thru West Homestead on return trip.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> From: <a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</a><br>
>>>>> To: <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a><br>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:50:00 -0400<br>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Fred<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> The final change to route 65, other than its discontinuance as a rail<br>
>>>>> operation, was its extension from Munhall Loop to East Pittsburgh over<br>
>>>>> the former route 55 trackage. Not sure when this occurred (when the<br>
>>>>> Glenwood bridge was closed to trams) but it was in effect, AIR, until<br>
>>>>> the<br>
>>>>> end of tram operations from Lincoln Place. I took pictures of the<br>
>>>>> operation in early 1965.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Dwight<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> From: Fred Schneider<br>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 09 July, 2013 11:35<br>
>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>
>>>>> Route cards for route 506 Homestead and Homeville show the following<br>
>>>>> (if<br>
>>>>> I transcribed it correctly) ... never did find anyone willing to<br>
>>>>> proofread my work. There are certain dates such as 1930 and 1937<br>
>>>>> where<br>
>>>>> they simply listed the routes even if they didn't change so the dates<br>
>>>>> are<br>
>>>>> not always indicative of a change unless it is so stated. Usually a<br>
>>>>> change only shows the specific streets that were changed. fws<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> January 1902 ... from a point in Homeville along a township road<br>
>>>>> through<br>
>>>>> Munhall to 9th Avenue in Homestead and over 8th Avenue to Hays Street.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> 1917: From a point in Homeville-Greenspring Avenue, Ravine Street, 8th<br>
>>>>> Avenue to Hays Street.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> July 17 to July 19, 1919; August 29 to Sept 1, 1919 and August 18 to<br>
>>>>> August 22, 1919 ... line split into two sections at bridge above<br>
>>>>> Homeville Siding because of unsafe condition of bridge,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> August 10, 1925: Length of line: round trip 5.23 miles.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> May 14, 1927 to June 19, 1927: Shuttle service from Terrace Step stop<br>
>>>>> to<br>
>>>>> end of line, Homeville.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Feb. 14, 1928: Route 506 combined with route 507 (Homestead-Mifflin).<br>
>>>>> One man operation began. See route 507 for history 1928 to 1944.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> July 9, 1944: Began operation from Homeville to 18th and West Streets.<br>
>>>>> Route 65 operating SE PCC cars from Munhall Loop to Lincoln Place loop.<br>
>>>>> Route 59 used double end low-floor cars.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> March 7, 1953: Last full day of route 59.<br>
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________________<br>
>>>>> ________________________________<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Original route 507 operated only November 1902. Have not found route<br>
>>>>> card.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> April 1, 1928: On this date, route 507 started under supervision of<br>
>>>>> Pittsburgh Railways Company using schedules and equipment formerly used<br>
>>>>> by Homestead and Mifflin Street Railway.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> August 24, 1928: Shuttle began operating between Lincoln Place and<br>
>>>>> Main<br>
>>>>> and McWhinney, also Main and McWhinney and 8th Avenue, Homestead.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> November 21, 1928: Through cars Lincoln Place to 13th and West<br>
>>>>> Streets,<br>
>>>>> Homestead.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> November 23, 1928: Through cars Lincoln Place to 8th and West Sts.,<br>
>>>>> Homestead.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> December 14, 1928: Combined with route 506 Homeville and one-man<br>
>>>>> operation began.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> January 1, 1930: Main St., Center Ave., Main St., Walnut Ave., 22nd<br>
>>>>> Ave., West St., Amity St., 8th Ave., Munhall St., Ravine St.,<br>
>>>>> Greenspring<br>
>>>>> Ave. to Hays St. in Homeville.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> March 15, 1937: Lincoln Place along Interboro Avenue and Main St. to<br>
>>>>> West St. to 12th St., Amith., 8th Ave., Munhall Junction, Ravine St.,<br>
>>>>> Greenspring Ave. to High St.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> July 9, 1944: Homeville end split from Lincoln Place end and<br>
>>>>> designated<br>
>>>>> route 59. Lincoln Place to Munhall loop designated route 65.<br>
>>>>> Muldfowney Loop in Lincoln Place opened this date permitting PCC<br>
>>>>> service<br>
>>>>> on route 65 and the line was extended eastward a short distance from<br>
>>>>> Interboro Avenue to Muldowney Street.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> October 31, 1956 Transit Guide: Munhall to Lincoln Place over 8th<br>
>>>>> Avenue<br>
>>>>> in Munhall and McKeesport, Amity St., 12th St., West St., 22nd St.,<br>
>>>>> Interboro Ave. and private right-of-way to Muldowney Loop. Unchanged<br>
>>>>> from July 9, 1944.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Sept. 5, 1965: Last full day of service route 65.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> > Hello. I was looking at an older historic topo map and noticed that<br>
>>>>> > route 59 traveled up Ravine Street and then split at the<br>
>>>>> > intersection<br>
>>>>> > of Greensprings Ave., Coal Rd and Black Path (road names based on<br>
>>>>> > Google Maps).<br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> > One line continued up Greensprings Ave. to what is called Terrace<br>
>>>>> > and ends at what I believe is High Street and Bowes Ave. The other<br>
>>>>> > line on PRW seems to follow Duquesne Ave then Homestead Duquesne Rd<br>
>>>>> > to<br>
>>>>> > Coal Rd. to terminate at Coal Rd. Extension and Bellwood Rd.<br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> > I have attached that section of the map. My first question is, is<br>
>>>>> > this correct? If so, how did these lines operate and what<br>
>>>>> > destinations<br>
>>>>> > signs were used? When did PRCo stop using the line to Bellwood Rd.?<br>
>>>>> > Maybe I have this wrong and it could be a coal mine RR?<br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> > If this was discussed before I apologize.<br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> > Oh, map web site in case some of you do not have it.<br>
>>>>> > <a href="http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/topomaps/f?p=262:1:4149522851964442" target="_blank">http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/topomaps/f?p=262:1:4149522851964442</a><br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> > Thanks.<br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> > Raymond E. Lattner<br>
>>>>> ><br>
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