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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'> <BR> <BR>55A didn't go to Braddock. It was a route 55 short-turn: Second Ave. - Glenwood Bridge - Homestead to Munhall Loop. <BR> <BR>As for low-floor cars - before my time. (:<)<BR> <BR> <BR><br> <BR><div>> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 17:01:08 -0400<br>> From: rayprco53@verizon.net<br>> To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<br>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>> <br>> Regarding 55A, how was the turn around Munhall loop? If it was how did it get to Braddock? <br>> <br>> Sent from my LG Smartphone on Sprint<br>> <br>> Dwight Long <dwightlong@verizon.net> wrote:<br>> <br>> ><br>> >Ray<br>> ><br>> >Same as 55, except outer end was Munhall Loop (and in summers 1958 and prior <br>> >at Kennywood Park).<br>> ><br>> >Dwight<br>> >----- Original Message ----- <br>> >From: "Lattner, Raymond" <rlattner@pa.gov><br>> >To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <br>> ><pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><br>> >Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:50 PM<br>> >Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> Since you guys brought up routes 65 and 55 trackage, can someone provide <br>> >> the route of 55A?<br>> >><br>> >> Thanks.<br>> >><br>> >> Yes, I now agree probably a coal rr on that side.<br>> >><br>> >> Oh one more thing, I was going through all my photos and I do not have a <br>> >> low floor type car with<br>> >> a Forbes Field destination. Has anyone seen a photo of a low floor type <br>> >> car with this destination?<br>> >><br>> >> Thanks again.<br>> >><br>> >> Ray<br>> >><br>> >> -----Original Message-----<br>> >> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org <br>> >> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of <br>> >> John Swindler<br>> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:36 PM<br>> >> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>> >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Wasn't the 65 extension via Rankin Bridge to E. Pgh. when 58 and 55 <br>> >> converted to bus by PAT??? Might be due to Glenwood bridge - or might <br>> >> have been due to repaving of last mile of Second Ave. track east of <br>> >> Greenfield Ave.<br>> >><br>> >> Going to guess summer of 1964. PAT had bought 150 new GM buses, but story <br>> >> I heard was that some of the buses from independents were much worse than <br>> >> expected. Otherwise 65 would not have lasted a bit longer.<br>> >><br>> >> There was an 'owl' car that ran S. Hills. Jct. out Second Ave. to Munhall <br>> >> Loop (E. Pgh???) , then to Lincoln Place, back to Munhall and then <br>> >> returned to S. Hills. Jct. There were a bunch of PRMA members on that <br>> >> last trip, but I managed to doze off around 4 a.m. and have no <br>> >> recollection passing thru West Homestead on return trip.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >>> From: dwightlong@verizon.net<br>> >>> To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<br>> >>> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:50:00 -0400<br>> >>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>> >>><br>> >>> Fred<br>> >>><br>> >>> The final change to route 65, other than its discontinuance as a rail <br>> >>> operation, was its extension from Munhall Loop to East Pittsburgh over <br>> >>> the former route 55 trackage. Not sure when this occurred (when the <br>> >>> Glenwood bridge was closed to trams) but it was in effect, AIR, until the <br>> >>> end of tram operations from Lincoln Place. I took pictures of the <br>> >>> operation in early 1965.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Dwight<br>> >>><br>> >>> From: Fred Schneider<br>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, 09 July, 2013 11:35<br>> >>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>> >>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>> >>> Route cards for route 506 Homestead and Homeville show the following (if <br>> >>> I transcribed it correctly) ... never did find anyone willing to <br>> >>> proofread my work. There are certain dates such as 1930 and 1937 where <br>> >>> they simply listed the routes even if they didn't change so the dates are <br>> >>> not always indicative of a change unless it is so stated. Usually a <br>> >>> change only shows the specific streets that were changed. fws<br>> >>><br>> >>> January 1902 ... from a point in Homeville along a township road through <br>> >>> Munhall to 9th Avenue in Homestead and over 8th Avenue to Hays Street.<br>> >>><br>> >>> 1917: From a point in Homeville-Greenspring Avenue, Ravine Street, 8th <br>> >>> Avenue to Hays Street.<br>> >>><br>> >>> July 17 to July 19, 1919; August 29 to Sept 1, 1919 and August 18 to<br>> >>> August 22, 1919 ... line split into two sections at bridge above<br>> >>> Homeville Siding because of unsafe condition of bridge,<br>> >>><br>> >>> August 10, 1925: Length of line: round trip 5.23 miles.<br>> >>><br>> >>> May 14, 1927 to June 19, 1927: Shuttle service from Terrace Step stop to <br>> >>> end of line, Homeville.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Feb. 14, 1928: Route 506 combined with route 507 (Homestead-Mifflin). <br>> >>> One man operation began. See route 507 for history 1928 to 1944.<br>> >>><br>> >>> July 9, 1944: Began operation from Homeville to 18th and West Streets. <br>> >>> Route 65 operating SE PCC cars from Munhall Loop to Lincoln Place loop. <br>> >>> Route 59 used double end low-floor cars.<br>> >>><br>> >>> March 7, 1953: Last full day of route 59.<br>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________<br>> >>> ________________________________<br>> >>><br>> >>> Original route 507 operated only November 1902. Have not found route <br>> >>> card.<br>> >>><br>> >>> April 1, 1928: On this date, route 507 started under supervision of <br>> >>> Pittsburgh Railways Company using schedules and equipment formerly used <br>> >>> by Homestead and Mifflin Street Railway.<br>> >>><br>> >>> August 24, 1928: Shuttle began operating between Lincoln Place and Main <br>> >>> and McWhinney, also Main and McWhinney and 8th Avenue, Homestead.<br>> >>><br>> >>> November 21, 1928: Through cars Lincoln Place to 13th and West Streets, <br>> >>> Homestead.<br>> >>><br>> >>> November 23, 1928: Through cars Lincoln Place to 8th and West Sts., <br>> >>> Homestead.<br>> >>><br>> >>> December 14, 1928: Combined with route 506 Homeville and one-man <br>> >>> operation began.<br>> >>><br>> >>> January 1, 1930: Main St., Center Ave., Main St., Walnut Ave., 22nd <br>> >>> Ave., West St., Amity St., 8th Ave., Munhall St., Ravine St., Greenspring <br>> >>> Ave. to Hays St. in Homeville.<br>> >>><br>> >>> March 15, 1937: Lincoln Place along Interboro Avenue and Main St. to <br>> >>> West St. to 12th St., Amith., 8th Ave., Munhall Junction, Ravine St., <br>> >>> Greenspring Ave. to High St.<br>> >>><br>> >>> July 9, 1944: Homeville end split from Lincoln Place end and designated <br>> >>> route 59. Lincoln Place to Munhall loop designated route 65. <br>> >>> Muldfowney Loop in Lincoln Place opened this date permitting PCC service <br>> >>> on route 65 and the line was extended eastward a short distance from <br>> >>> Interboro Avenue to Muldowney Street.<br>> >>><br>> >>> October 31, 1956 Transit Guide: Munhall to Lincoln Place over 8th Avenue <br>> >>> in Munhall and McKeesport, Amity St., 12th St., West St., 22nd St., <br>> >>> Interboro Ave. and private right-of-way to Muldowney Loop. Unchanged <br>> >>> from July 9, 1944.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Sept. 5, 1965: Last full day of service route 65.<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:<br>> >>><br>> >>> > Hello. I was looking at an older historic topo map and noticed that<br>> >>> > route 59 traveled up Ravine Street and then split at the intersection <br>> >>> > of Greensprings Ave., Coal Rd and Black Path (road names based on <br>> >>> > Google Maps).<br>> >>> ><br>> >>> > One line continued up Greensprings Ave. to what is called Terrace<br>> >>> > and ends at what I believe is High Street and Bowes Ave. The other <br>> >>> > line on PRW seems to follow Duquesne Ave then Homestead Duquesne Rd to <br>> >>> > Coal Rd. to terminate at Coal Rd. Extension and Bellwood Rd.<br>> >>> ><br>> >>> > I have attached that section of the map. My first question is, is<br>> >>> > this correct? If so, how did these lines operate and what destinations <br>> >>> > signs were used? When did PRCo stop using the line to Bellwood Rd.? <br>> >>> > Maybe I have this wrong and it could be a coal mine RR?<br>> >>> ><br>> >>> > If this was discussed before I apologize.<br>> >>> ><br>> >>> > Oh, map web site in case some of you do not have it.<br>> >>> > http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/topomaps/f?p=262:1:4149522851964442<br>> >>> ><br>> >>> > Thanks.<br>> >>> ><br>> >>> ><br>> >>> > Raymond E. 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