<div dir="ltr">Why don't you post the photo?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Ray <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rayprco53@verizon.net" target="_blank">rayprco53@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Did find a picture at South Hills Junction with a sign that reads,<br>
55A Homestead Munhall Kennywood. Which makes sense with what you guys are telling me.Relooking at my other pics, maybe it reads 55A Homestrad Munhall via 2 Ave. In my defense the pic of that is blurry.<br>
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Ray <<a href="mailto:rayprco53@verizon.net">rayprco53@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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>Regarding 55A, roll sign reads Homestead Braddock via 2 Ave. What is missing is E. Pgh. So i would assume it went to Braddock. Thats the pictures that i have. Is the rollsign maybe a fan trip sign?<br>
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>Dwight Long <<a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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>><br>
>>Ray<br>
>><br>
>>I don't understand the question. It used the Munhall loop to turn back<br>
>>toward Pittsburgh, just as the 65 used it to turn back to Lincoln Place.<br>
>>55A did not go to Braddock. That was the 55 itself.<br>
>><br>
>>Dwight<br>
>><br>
>>----- Original Message -----<br>
>>From: "Ray" <<a href="mailto:rayprco53@verizon.net">rayprco53@verizon.net</a>><br>
>>To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"<br>
>><<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 5:01 PM<br>
>>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> Regarding 55A, how was the turn around Munhall loop? If it was how did it<br>
>>> get to Braddock?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sent from my LG Smartphone on Sprint<br>
>>><br>
>>> Dwight Long <<a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>Ray<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>Same as 55, except outer end was Munhall Loop (and in summers 1958 and<br>
>>>>prior<br>
>>>>at Kennywood Park).<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>Dwight<br>
>>>>----- Original Message -----<br>
>>>>From: "Lattner, Raymond" <<a href="mailto:rlattner@pa.gov">rlattner@pa.gov</a>><br>
>>>>To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"<br>
>>>><<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:50 PM<br>
>>>>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Since you guys brought up routes 65 and 55 trackage, can someone provide<br>
>>>>> the route of 55A?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Thanks.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Yes, I now agree probably a coal rr on that side.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Oh one more thing, I was going through all my photos and I do not have a<br>
>>>>> low floor type car with<br>
>>>>> a Forbes Field destination. Has anyone seen a photo of a low floor type<br>
>>>>> car with this destination?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Thanks again.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Ray<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>>> From: <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org</a><br>
>>>>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
>>>>> John Swindler<br>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:36 PM<br>
>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Wasn't the 65 extension via Rankin Bridge to E. Pgh. when 58 and 55<br>
>>>>> converted to bus by PAT??? Might be due to Glenwood bridge - or might<br>
>>>>> have been due to repaving of last mile of Second Ave. track east of<br>
>>>>> Greenfield Ave.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Going to guess summer of 1964. PAT had bought 150 new GM buses, but<br>
>>>>> story<br>
>>>>> I heard was that some of the buses from independents were much worse<br>
>>>>> than<br>
>>>>> expected. Otherwise 65 would not have lasted a bit longer.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> There was an 'owl' car that ran S. Hills. Jct. out Second Ave. to<br>
>>>>> Munhall<br>
>>>>> Loop (E. Pgh???) , then to Lincoln Place, back to Munhall and then<br>
>>>>> returned to S. Hills. Jct. There were a bunch of PRMA members on that<br>
>>>>> last trip, but I managed to doze off around 4 a.m. and have no<br>
>>>>> recollection passing thru West Homestead on return trip.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> From: <a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</a><br>
>>>>>> To: <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a><br>
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:50:00 -0400<br>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Fred<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> The final change to route 65, other than its discontinuance as a rail<br>
>>>>>> operation, was its extension from Munhall Loop to East Pittsburgh over<br>
>>>>>> the former route 55 trackage. Not sure when this occurred (when the<br>
>>>>>> Glenwood bridge was closed to trams) but it was in effect, AIR, until<br>
>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>> end of tram operations from Lincoln Place. I took pictures of the<br>
>>>>>> operation in early 1965.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Dwight<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> From: Fred Schneider<br>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 09 July, 2013 11:35<br>
>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>
>>>>>> Route cards for route 506 Homestead and Homeville show the following<br>
>>>>>> (if<br>
>>>>>> I transcribed it correctly) ... never did find anyone willing to<br>
>>>>>> proofread my work. There are certain dates such as 1930 and 1937<br>
>>>>>> where<br>
>>>>>> they simply listed the routes even if they didn't change so the dates<br>
>>>>>> are<br>
>>>>>> not always indicative of a change unless it is so stated. Usually a<br>
>>>>>> change only shows the specific streets that were changed. fws<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> January 1902 ... from a point in Homeville along a township road<br>
>>>>>> through<br>
>>>>>> Munhall to 9th Avenue in Homestead and over 8th Avenue to Hays Street.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 1917: From a point in Homeville-Greenspring Avenue, Ravine Street, 8th<br>
>>>>>> Avenue to Hays Street.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> July 17 to July 19, 1919; August 29 to Sept 1, 1919 and August 18 to<br>
>>>>>> August 22, 1919 ... line split into two sections at bridge above<br>
>>>>>> Homeville Siding because of unsafe condition of bridge,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> August 10, 1925: Length of line: round trip 5.23 miles.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> May 14, 1927 to June 19, 1927: Shuttle service from Terrace Step stop<br>
>>>>>> to<br>
>>>>>> end of line, Homeville.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Feb. 14, 1928: Route 506 combined with route 507 (Homestead-Mifflin).<br>
>>>>>> One man operation began. See route 507 for history 1928 to 1944.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> July 9, 1944: Began operation from Homeville to 18th and West Streets.<br>
>>>>>> Route 65 operating SE PCC cars from Munhall Loop to Lincoln Place loop.<br>
>>>>>> Route 59 used double end low-floor cars.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> March 7, 1953: Last full day of route 59.<br>
>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________________<br>
>>>>>> ________________________________<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Original route 507 operated only November 1902. Have not found route<br>
>>>>>> card.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> April 1, 1928: On this date, route 507 started under supervision of<br>
>>>>>> Pittsburgh Railways Company using schedules and equipment formerly used<br>
>>>>>> by Homestead and Mifflin Street Railway.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> August 24, 1928: Shuttle began operating between Lincoln Place and<br>
>>>>>> Main<br>
>>>>>> and McWhinney, also Main and McWhinney and 8th Avenue, Homestead.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> November 21, 1928: Through cars Lincoln Place to 13th and West<br>
>>>>>> Streets,<br>
>>>>>> Homestead.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> November 23, 1928: Through cars Lincoln Place to 8th and West Sts.,<br>
>>>>>> Homestead.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> December 14, 1928: Combined with route 506 Homeville and one-man<br>
>>>>>> operation began.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> January 1, 1930: Main St., Center Ave., Main St., Walnut Ave., 22nd<br>
>>>>>> Ave., West St., Amity St., 8th Ave., Munhall St., Ravine St.,<br>
>>>>>> Greenspring<br>
>>>>>> Ave. to Hays St. in Homeville.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> March 15, 1937: Lincoln Place along Interboro Avenue and Main St. to<br>
>>>>>> West St. to 12th St., Amith., 8th Ave., Munhall Junction, Ravine St.,<br>
>>>>>> Greenspring Ave. to High St.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> July 9, 1944: Homeville end split from Lincoln Place end and<br>
>>>>>> designated<br>
>>>>>> route 59. Lincoln Place to Munhall loop designated route 65.<br>
>>>>>> Muldfowney Loop in Lincoln Place opened this date permitting PCC<br>
>>>>>> service<br>
>>>>>> on route 65 and the line was extended eastward a short distance from<br>
>>>>>> Interboro Avenue to Muldowney Street.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> October 31, 1956 Transit Guide: Munhall to Lincoln Place over 8th<br>
>>>>>> Avenue<br>
>>>>>> in Munhall and McKeesport, Amity St., 12th St., West St., 22nd St.,<br>
>>>>>> Interboro Ave. and private right-of-way to Muldowney Loop. Unchanged<br>
>>>>>> from July 9, 1944.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Sept. 5, 1965: Last full day of service route 65.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> > Hello. I was looking at an older historic topo map and noticed that<br>
>>>>>> > route 59 traveled up Ravine Street and then split at the<br>
>>>>>> > intersection<br>
>>>>>> > of Greensprings Ave., Coal Rd and Black Path (road names based on<br>
>>>>>> > Google Maps).<br>
>>>>>> ><br>
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