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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'> <BR> <BR>There was a railfan photo stop at Munhall Loop. The destination sign reads: <strong>FARE $4.50 </strong>- with red background.<BR> <BR><br> <BR><div>> From: hrbran@cavtel.net<br>> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 21:21:52 -0400<br>> To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<br>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>> <br>> Why don't you post the photo?<br>> <br>> <br>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Ray <rayprco53@verizon.net> wrote:<br>> <br>> > Did find a picture at South Hills Junction with a sign that reads,<br>> > 55A Homestead Munhall Kennywood. Which makes sense with what you guys are<br>> > telling me.Relooking at my other pics, maybe it reads 55A Homestrad Munhall<br>> > via 2 Ave. In my defense the pic of that is blurry.<br>> ><br>> > Sent from my LG Smartphone on Sprint<br>> ><br>> > Ray <rayprco53@verizon.net> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > >Regarding 55A, roll sign reads Homestead Braddock via 2 Ave. What is<br>> > missing is E. Pgh. So i would assume it went to Braddock. Thats the<br>> > pictures that i have. Is the rollsign maybe a fan trip sign?<br>> > ><br>> > >Sent from my LG Smartphone on Sprint<br>> > ><br>> > >Dwight Long <dwightlong@verizon.net> wrote:<br>> > ><br>> > >><br>> > >>Ray<br>> > >><br>> > >>I don't understand the question. It used the Munhall loop to turn back<br>> > >>toward Pittsburgh, just as the 65 used it to turn back to Lincoln Place.<br>> > >>55A did not go to Braddock. That was the 55 itself.<br>> > >><br>> > >>Dwight<br>> > >><br>> > >>----- Original Message -----<br>> > >>From: "Ray" <rayprco53@verizon.net><br>> > >>To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"<br>> > >><pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><br>> > >>Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 5:01 PM<br>> > >>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >>> Regarding 55A, how was the turn around Munhall loop? If it was how did<br>> > it<br>> > >>> get to Braddock?<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> Sent from my LG Smartphone on Sprint<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> Dwight Long <dwightlong@verizon.net> wrote:<br>> > >>><br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>>Ray<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>>Same as 55, except outer end was Munhall Loop (and in summers 1958 and<br>> > >>>>prior<br>> > >>>>at Kennywood Park).<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>>Dwight<br>> > >>>>----- Original Message -----<br>> > >>>>From: "Lattner, Raymond" <rlattner@pa.gov><br>> > >>>>To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"<br>> > >>>><pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><br>> > >>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:50 PM<br>> > >>>>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>>> Since you guys brought up routes 65 and 55 trackage, can someone<br>> > provide<br>> > >>>>> the route of 55A?<br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>> Thanks.<br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>> Yes, I now agree probably a coal rr on that side.<br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>> Oh one more thing, I was going through all my photos and I do not<br>> > have a<br>> > >>>>> low floor type car with<br>> > >>>>> a Forbes Field destination. Has anyone seen a photo of a low floor<br>> > type<br>> > >>>>> car with this destination?<br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>> Thanks again.<br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>> Ray<br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>> > >>>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org<br>> > >>>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf<br>> > Of<br>> > >>>>> John Swindler<br>> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:36 PM<br>> > >>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>> Wasn't the 65 extension via Rankin Bridge to E. Pgh. when 58 and 55<br>> > >>>>> converted to bus by PAT??? Might be due to Glenwood bridge - or<br>> > might<br>> > >>>>> have been due to repaving of last mile of Second Ave. track east of<br>> > >>>>> Greenfield Ave.<br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>> Going to guess summer of 1964. PAT had bought 150 new GM buses, but<br>> > >>>>> story<br>> > >>>>> I heard was that some of the buses from independents were much worse<br>> > >>>>> than<br>> > >>>>> expected. Otherwise 65 would not have lasted a bit longer.<br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>> There was an 'owl' car that ran S. Hills. Jct. out Second Ave. to<br>> > >>>>> Munhall<br>> > >>>>> Loop (E. Pgh???) , then to Lincoln Place, back to Munhall and then<br>> > >>>>> returned to S. Hills. Jct. There were a bunch of PRMA members on<br>> > that<br>> > >>>>> last trip, but I managed to doze off around 4 a.m. and have no<br>> > >>>>> recollection passing thru West Homestead on return trip.<br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>>> From: dwightlong@verizon.net<br>> > >>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<br>> > >>>>>> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:50:00 -0400<br>> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> Fred<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> The final change to route 65, other than its discontinuance as a<br>> > rail<br>> > >>>>>> operation, was its extension from Munhall Loop to East Pittsburgh<br>> > over<br>> > >>>>>> the former route 55 trackage. Not sure when this occurred (when the<br>> > >>>>>> Glenwood bridge was closed to trams) but it was in effect, AIR,<br>> > until<br>> > >>>>>> the<br>> > >>>>>> end of tram operations from Lincoln Place. I took pictures of the<br>> > >>>>>> operation in early 1965.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> Dwight<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> From: Fred Schneider<br>> > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 09 July, 2013 11:35<br>> > >>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59<br>> > >>>>>> Route cards for route 506 Homestead and Homeville show the following<br>> > >>>>>> (if<br>> > >>>>>> I transcribed it correctly) ... never did find anyone willing to<br>> > >>>>>> proofread my work. There are certain dates such as 1930 and 1937<br>> > >>>>>> where<br>> > >>>>>> they simply listed the routes even if they didn't change so the<br>> > dates<br>> > >>>>>> are<br>> > >>>>>> not always indicative of a change unless it is so stated. Usually<br>> > a<br>> > >>>>>> change only shows the specific streets that were changed. fws<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> January 1902 ... from a point in Homeville along a township road<br>> > >>>>>> through<br>> > >>>>>> Munhall to 9th Avenue in Homestead and over 8th Avenue to Hays<br>> > Street.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> 1917: From a point in Homeville-Greenspring Avenue, Ravine Street,<br>> > 8th<br>> > >>>>>> Avenue to Hays Street.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> July 17 to July 19, 1919; August 29 to Sept 1, 1919 and August 18<br>> > to<br>> > >>>>>> August 22, 1919 ... line split into two sections at bridge above<br>> > >>>>>> Homeville Siding because of unsafe condition of bridge,<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> August 10, 1925: Length of line: round trip 5.23 miles.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> May 14, 1927 to June 19, 1927: Shuttle service from Terrace Step<br>> > stop<br>> > >>>>>> to<br>> > >>>>>> end of line, Homeville.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> Feb. 14, 1928: Route 506 combined with route 507<br>> > (Homestead-Mifflin).<br>> > >>>>>> One man operation began. See route 507 for history 1928 to 1944.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> July 9, 1944: Began operation from Homeville to 18th and West<br>> > Streets.<br>> > >>>>>> Route 65 operating SE PCC cars from Munhall Loop to Lincoln Place<br>> > loop.<br>> > >>>>>> Route 59 used double end low-floor cars.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> March 7, 1953: Last full day of route 59.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > ______________________________________________________________________<br>> > >>>>>> ________________________________<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> Original route 507 operated only November 1902. Have not found<br>> > route<br>> > >>>>>> card.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> April 1, 1928: On this date, route 507 started under supervision<br>> > of<br>> > >>>>>> Pittsburgh Railways Company using schedules and equipment formerly<br>> > used<br>> > >>>>>> by Homestead and Mifflin Street Railway.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> August 24, 1928: Shuttle began operating between Lincoln Place and<br>> > >>>>>> Main<br>> > >>>>>> and McWhinney, also Main and McWhinney and 8th Avenue, Homestead.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> November 21, 1928: Through cars Lincoln Place to 13th and West<br>> > >>>>>> Streets,<br>> > >>>>>> Homestead.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> November 23, 1928: Through cars Lincoln Place to 8th and West Sts.,<br>> > >>>>>> Homestead.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> December 14, 1928: Combined with route 506 Homeville and one-man<br>> > >>>>>> operation began.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> January 1, 1930: Main St., Center Ave., Main St., Walnut Ave., 22nd<br>> > >>>>>> Ave., West St., Amity St., 8th Ave., Munhall St., Ravine St.,<br>> > >>>>>> Greenspring<br>> > >>>>>> Ave. to Hays St. in Homeville.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> March 15, 1937: Lincoln Place along Interboro Avenue and Main St.<br>> > to<br>> > >>>>>> West St. to 12th St., Amith., 8th Ave., Munhall Junction, Ravine<br>> > St.,<br>> > >>>>>> Greenspring Ave. to High St.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> July 9, 1944: Homeville end split from Lincoln Place end and<br>> > >>>>>> designated<br>> > >>>>>> route 59. Lincoln Place to Munhall loop designated route 65.<br>> > >>>>>> Muldfowney Loop in Lincoln Place opened this date permitting PCC<br>> > >>>>>> service<br>> > >>>>>> on route 65 and the line was extended eastward a short distance from<br>> > >>>>>> Interboro Avenue to Muldowney Street.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> October 31, 1956 Transit Guide: Munhall to Lincoln Place over 8th<br>> > >>>>>> Avenue<br>> > >>>>>> in Munhall and McKeesport, Amity St., 12th St., West St., 22nd St.,<br>> > >>>>>> Interboro Ave. and private right-of-way to Muldowney Loop.<br>> > Unchanged<br>> > >>>>>> from July 9, 1944.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> Sept. 5, 1965: Last full day of service route 65.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> > Hello. 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