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<DIV><FONT size=4>Bob</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Don’t know, but certainly likely. The 1941 track map of
Cleveland railways does not show any significant auxiliary tracks at E
55th. Supposedly PRR spent $80,000 to improve the E. 55th station, which
even in dollars of the year in 1953 would not have paid for much than some
interior improvements and general “sprucing up.” So I suspect that PRR
continued to use their facilities on the lakefront as you suggest. They
would have had to pay a switching crew anyway to break up and reassemble trains,
so it presumably would not have been that much more to shuttle the consists
between lakefront and 55th St.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=bobrathke@comcast.net
href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">Bob Rathke</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 12 July, 2013 09:15</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">Western PA Trolley
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] PRR Cleveland Stations</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none; DISPLAY: inline"><BR><BR>Dwight,
<BR><BR><BR><BR>The station may have been gone in 1958, but the tracks,
platforms and a train were still there when I took the photo. Were
th e station tracks used to store and assemble trains that would depart
from E. 55th St.? <BR><BR><BR><BR>Bob <BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message
-----<BR><BR><BR>From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong@verizon.net> <BR>To:
"Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org>
<BR>Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 1:31:34 AM <BR>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRR Cleveland
Stations <BR><BR>Bob <BR><BR>The last train from the lakefront station, formerly
Cleveland Union Depot, was 27 September 1953. After that PRR used a
station at East 55th Street and Euclid Avenue, some two plus miles from downtown
Cleveland. There is a well-illustrated write-up on the last train, plus a
brief history of Union Depot, in the current Keystone. The old station was
razed in 1959. <BR><BR>Dwight <BR><BR>From: Bob Rathke <BR>Sent: Friday, 12
July, 2013 00:03 <BR>To: Western PA Trolley discussion <BR>Subject: Re: [PRCo]
PRCo Route72 <BR><BR><BR>There was also a Morning Steeler to Cleveland, and both
the morning and afternoon eastbound trains were also called Steelers.
<BR><BR><BR><BR>PRR passenger trains didn't use CUT - they operated out of the
PRR station on West 6th St. and the lakeshore. Attached is a photo I took
of that station on 7/8/58. The view is to the west, with Lake Erie in the
background. Note the small PRR coach yard in the right center of the
photo. <BR><BR><BR><BR>The PRR downtown station was closed about a year after
this photo was taken, and after that PRR trains terminated at the E. 55th St.
Station. <BR><BR><BR><BR>Non <BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message -----
<BR><BR><BR>From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran@cavtel.net> <BR>To: "Western PA
Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org> <BR>Sent:
Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:57:27 PM <BR>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72
<BR><BR>Bob, <BR>I'm surprised that a train with the name, "Afternoon Steeler"
was permitted <BR>inside Cleveland Union Terminal. <BR><BR><BR>On Thu, Jul 11,
2013 at 4:52 PM, Bob Rathke <bobrathke@comcast.net> wrote: <BR><BR>> I
watched the first westbound train to leave Penn St ation on that bridge <BR>>
in 1955 - the Afternoon Steeler to Cleveland. <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original
Message ----- <BR>> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider@comcast.net>
<BR>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" < <BR>>
pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org> <BR>> Sent: Thursday, July 11,
2013 3:26:38 PM <BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72 <BR>>
<BR>> Anyone else would have bought a 4-8-4. Change
that. Anyone else with <BR>> brains would have bought a
diesel. Think of NP, GN, Southern, ACL, SAL, <BR>> ATSF, even
Reading … all those who proved during WW2 how well EMD's product <BR>>
worked. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Jul 11, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Dwight
Long wrote: <BR>> <BR>> > <BR>> > Bob <BR>> > <BR>> >
Done so that T1 locos would not stall leaving the station westbound.
<BR>> The rigid frame caused the drivers to bind up on the curve, and
most <BR>> westbound trains with T1s had to be assisted by a snapper to get
out of the <BR>> station. <BR>> > <BR>> > Of course before the
project was finished, so were the T1s. <BR>> > <BR>> > Dwight
<BR>> > <BR>> > From: Bob Rathke <BR>> > Sent: Thursday, 11
July, 2013 12:55 <BR>> > To: Western PA Trolley discussion <BR>> >
Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72 <BR>> > That bridge from the PRR station
to the 6-track double-deck bridge over <BR>> the Allegheny River was replaced
by the current bridge (with a more gradual <BR>> curve) in the spring of
1955. <BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> >
From: "Raymond Lattner" <rlattner@pa.gov> <BR>> > To: "Western PA
Trolley discussion ( <BR>> pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org)" <
<BR>> pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org> <BR>> > Sent:
Thursday, July 11, 2013 11:22:33 AM <BR>> > Subject: [PRCo] PRCo
Route72 <BR>> > <BR>> > Attached is a pic of route 72 Bloomfield
car. Penn ave. downtown. <BR>> > <BR>> >> From <BR>>
http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=hpicasc_ci;med=1;q1=AIS.2012.03;size=20;c=hpicasc;back=back1373559754;subview=detail;resnum=322;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-201203.1917.6503;viewid=20130206-HPICASC-0323.TIF#
<BR>> > <BR>> > Ray <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >
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