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<DIV><FONT size=4>Bob</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Well done!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>P&LE #277 was NOT the STEEL KING. It was the
PITTSBURGH-BUFFALO EXPRESS. The STEEL KING went to Cleveland via the Erie
and used the Erie station in Youngstown. The PITTSBURGH-BUFFALO EXPRESS
used the NYC station in Youngstown and the NYC branch to Ashtabula. I rode
the last run out of Pittsburgh (AIR in fall of 1963) but only as far as
Coraopolis. Tried to take some flash pictures but with similar results to
yours at Ashtabula.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>I also rode both last runs of the DAYLIGHT SPEEDLINER,
Eastbound to Connellsville and Westbound back to da Burgh. On that occasion I
used Kodachrome and the results are somewhat better, although it was a very
dreary day, so they are not front page of TRAINS magazine material.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Sorry for all the caps—I’ve tried to use italics but the
dreaded Ecartis changes them to regular font.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=bobrathke@comcast.net
href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">Bob Rathke</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 12 July, 2013 12:04</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">Western PA Trolley
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] The Steel Kings</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none; DISPLAY: inline"><BR><BR><BR><BR>The
photo I took was the westbound Morning Steel King at Aliquippa on 7/15/57.
I got off the train to take the photo, and I had a little time to do this since
the baggage car was being loaded or unloaded (seen in the photo). <BR><BR>
<BR><BR>On 8/3/62 I took photos of the Steel King (train 277) after it
arrived in Ashtabula, Ohio, but it was in the early hours of the morning and the
platform was dimly lighted, so the flashbulbs didn't illuminate much - see
attached photo. A few minutes later the eastbound 20th Century Limited
rolled through the station, and all I was able to capture on film was a blurred
image of the "20th Century Limited" drumhead on the rear of the boat-tail
observation car. <BR><BR> <BR><BR>When the B&O's Daylight Speedliner
moved from the P&LE station to the B&O station in Pittsburgh, during the
layover the Daylight Speedliner RDC's were used for at least one roundtrip
(probably around 6PM) on the B&O's commuter lin e to McKeesport. I took the
attached photo in the B&O station on 10 /6/ 65 during the train's layover
(the dining section didn't serve food on the McKeesport commuter runs).
<BR><BR> <BR><BR>Bob <BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message
-----<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong@verizon.net>
<BR>To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
<pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org> <BR>Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013
1:56:44 AM <BR>Subject: Re: [PRCo] The Steel Kings <BR><BR><BR><BR>Bob
<BR><BR>From the size of the consist that appears to be #25, the Morning Steel
King. #23, the Evening Steel King, had a heftier consist,
including an Erie RR parlor/diner, and perhaps into 1957, depending on the day,
a sleeper to Boston (following the discontinuance of train 33, which formerly
carried the sleepers to eastern points). In earlier years the parlor/diner
had run through from Washington to Cleveland, coming off the B&O
Washingtonian at Pittsburgh, but when the B&O substituted the RDC-equipped
Daylight Speedliner, they refused to let it run through to Cleveland. A
transfer at P&LE Terminal was required initially, but later B&O
terminated the train at their own shack in da Burgh, requiring any through pax
to transfer between stations. <BR><BR>The Morning Steel King was off the
schedule by early 1960. I don’t know the exact date. The Evening
Steel King, renamed simply the Steel King after the demise of the counterpart
morning train, lasted until sometime in 1963, but as coach only. <BR><BR>Dwight
<BR><BR>From: Bob Rathke <BR>Sent: Friday, 12 July, 2013 01:31 <BR>To: Western
PA Trolley discussion <BR>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72 <BR><BR><BR>Attached
is a photo of the westbound P&LE/Erie Pittsburgh-Cleveland Steel King at
Aliqu ippa, PA that I took on 6/15/57.
<BR><BR><BR><BR>In my earlier post I neglected to mention that the PRR
"Steeler' train names referred to the steel industries in Pittsburgh and
Cleveland , and not to the Pittsburgh football team. <BR><BR><BR><BR>Also, over
the years I have answered comments from nat ive, over age 80, Cleveland
railfans who said that the PRR never had a station in downtown
Cleveland....until I showed them my 1958 photo and scans of PRR timetables from
that era. <BR><BR><BR><BR>Bob <BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message
----- <BR><BR><BR>From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong@verizon.net> <BR>To:
"Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org>
<BR>Cc: ge13031@yahoo.com, billvigrass@verizon.net <BR>Sent: Thursday, July 11,
2013 11:29:58 PM <BR>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72 <BR><BR><BR>Herb
<BR><BR>But they greeted the Morning Steeler with open arms? <BR><BR>The
competing trains via P&LE/ERIE were only slightly less offensive to hard
core residents of the Forest City—they were called Steel Kings. <BR><BR>Dwight
<BR><BR>From: Herb Brannon <BR>Sent: Thursday, 11 July, 2013 22:57 <BR>To:
Western PA Trolley discussion <BR>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72 <BR>Bob,
<BR>I'm surprised that a train with the name, "Afternoon Steeler" was permitted
<BR>inside Cleveland Union Terminal. <BR><BR><BR>On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:52
PM, Bob Rathke <bobrathke@comcast.net> wrote: <BR><BR>> I watched the
first westbound train to leave Penn St ation on that bridge <BR>> in 1955 -
the Afternoon Steeler to Cleveland. <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message
----- <BR>> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider@comcast.net> <BR>>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" < <BR>>
pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org> <BR>> Sent: Thursday, July 11,
2013 3:26:38 PM <BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72 <BR>>
<BR>> Anyone else would have bought a 4-8-4. Change
that. Anyone else with <BR>> brains would have bought a
diesel. Think of NP, GN, Southern, ACL, SAL, <BR>> ATSF, even
Reading … all those who proved during WW2 how well EMD's product <BR>>
worked. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Jul 11, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Dwight
Long wrote: <BR>> <BR>> > <BR>> > Bob <BR>> > <BR>> >
Done so that T1 locos would not stall leaving the station westbound.
<BR>> The rigid frame caused the drivers to bind up on the curve, and
most <BR>> westbound trains with T1s had to be assisted by a snapper to get
out of the <BR>> station. <BR>> > <BR>> > Of course before the
project was finished, so were the T1s. <BR>> > <BR>> > Dwight
<BR>> > <BR>> > From: Bob Rathke <BR>> > Sent: Thursday, 11
July, 2013 12:55 <BR>> > To: Western PA Trolley discussion <BR>> >
Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72 <BR>> > That bridge from the PRR station
to the 6-track double-deck bridge over <BR>> the Allegheny River was replaced
by the current bridge (with a more gradual <BR>> curve) in the spring of
1955. <BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> >
From: "Raymond Lattner" <rlattner@pa.gov> <BR>> > To: "Western PA
Trolley discussion ( <BR>> pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org)" <
<BR>> pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org> <BR>> > Sent:
Thursday, July 11, 2013 11:22:33 AM <BR>> > Subject: [PRCo] PRCo
Route72 <BR>> > <BR>> > Attached is a pic of route 72 Bloomfield
car. Penn ave. downtown. <BR>> > <BR>> >> From <BR>>
http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=hpicasc_ci;med=1;q1=AIS.2012.03;size=20;c=hpicasc;back=back1373559754;subview=detail;resnum=322;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-201203.1917.6503;viewid=20130206-HPICASC-0323.TIF#
<BR>> > <BR>> > Ray <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >
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