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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Remember, this was a time when professional football was not the institution in thinks it is today and the Browns won championships in 1950, 54, 55, & 64. They came in second in 51,52,53,57,65,68,69. The Steelers did not begin their legacy until the 1970's long after any PRR (or PC) passenger service to Cleveland ended.<br><br><div>Dennis F. Cramer <br><a href="http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/" target="_blank">http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/</a></div><br><br><div>> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:03:59 +0000<br>> From: bobrathke@comcast.net<br>> To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<br>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> There was also a Morning Steeler to Cleveland, and both the morning and afternoon eastbound trains were also called Steelers. <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> PRR passenger trains didn't use CUT - they operated out of the PRR station on West 6th St. and the lakeshore. Attached is a photo I took of that station on 7/8/58. The view is to the west, with Lake Erie in the background. Note the small PRR coach yard in the right center of the photo. <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> The PRR downtown station was closed about a year after this photo was taken, and after that PRR trains terminated at the E. 55th St. Station. <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Non <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> <br>> <br>> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran@cavtel.net> <br>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org> <br>> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:57:27 PM <br>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72 <br>> <br>> Bob, <br>> I'm surprised that a train with the name, "Afternoon Steeler" was permitted <br>> inside Cleveland Union Terminal. <br>> <br>> <br>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Bob Rathke <bobrathke@comcast.net> wrote: <br>> <br>> > I watched the first westbound train to leave Penn St ation on that bridge <br>> > in 1955 - the Afternoon Steeler to Cleveland. <br>> > <br>> > ----- Original Message ----- <br>> > From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider@comcast.net> <br>> > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" < <br>> > pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org> <br>> > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 3:26:38 PM <br>> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72 <br>> > <br>> > Anyone else would have bought a 4-8-4. Change that. Anyone else with <br>> > brains would have bought a diesel. Think of NP, GN, Southern, ACL, SAL, <br>> > ATSF, even Reading … all those who proved during WW2 how well EMD's product <br>> > worked. <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > On Jul 11, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Dwight Long wrote: <br>> > <br>> > > <br>> > > Bob <br>> > > <br>> > > Done so that T1 locos would not stall leaving the station westbound. <br>> > The rigid frame caused the drivers to bind up on the curve, and most <br>> > westbound trains with T1s had to be assisted by a snapper to get out of the <br>> > station. <br>> > > <br>> > > Of course before the project was finished, so were the T1s. <br>> > > <br>> > > Dwight <br>> > > <br>> > > From: Bob Rathke <br>> > > Sent: Thursday, 11 July, 2013 12:55 <br>> > > To: Western PA Trolley discussion <br>> > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72 <br>> > > That bridge from the PRR station to the 6-track double-deck bridge over <br>> > the Allegheny River was replaced by the current bridge (with a more gradual <br>> > curve) in the spring of 1955. <br>> > > <br>> > > ----- Original Message ----- <br>> > > From: "Raymond Lattner" <rlattner@pa.gov> <br>> > > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion ( <br>> > pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org)" < <br>> > pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org> <br>> > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 11:22:33 AM <br>> > > Subject: [PRCo] PRCo Route72 <br>> > > <br>> > > Attached is a pic of route 72 Bloomfield car. 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