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<DIV><FONT size=4>Bob</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>From the size of the consist that appears to be #25, the
<EM>Morning Steel King. </EM> #23, the <EM>Evening Steel King</EM>,
had a heftier consist, including an Erie RR parlor/diner, and perhaps into 1957,
depending on the day, a sleeper to Boston (following the discontinuance of train
33, which formerly carried the sleepers to eastern points). In earlier
years the parlor/diner had run through from Washington to Cleveland, coming off
the B&O <EM>Washingtonian</EM> at Pittsburgh, but when the B&O
substituted the RDC-equipped <EM>Daylight Speedliner</EM>, they refused to let
it run through to Cleveland. A transfer at P&LE Terminal was required
initially, but later B&O terminated the train at their own shack in da
Burgh, requiring any through pax to transfer between stations.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>The <EM>Morning Steel King</EM> was off the schedule by early
1960. I don’t know the exact date. The <EM>Evening Steel King,
</EM>renamed simply the <EM>Steel King</EM> after the demise of the counterpart
morning train, lasted until sometime in 1963, but as coach only.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=bobrathke@comcast.net
href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">Bob Rathke</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 12 July, 2013 01:31</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">Western PA Trolley
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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is a photo of the westbound P&LE/Erie Pittsburgh-Cleveland Steel King at
Aliqu ippa, PA that I took on 6/15/57.
<BR><BR><BR><BR>In my earlier post I neglected to mention that the PRR
"Steeler' train names referred to the steel industries in Pittsburgh and
Cleveland , and not to the Pittsburgh football team. <BR><BR><BR><BR>Also, over
the years I have answered comments from nat ive, over age 80, Cleveland
railfans who said that the PRR never had a station in downtown
Cleveland....until I showed them my 1958 photo and scans of PRR timetables from
that era. <BR><BR><BR><BR>Bob <BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message
-----<BR><BR><BR>From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong@verizon.net> <BR>To:
"Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org>
<BR>Cc: ge13031@yahoo.com, billvigrass@verizon.net <BR>Sent: Thursday, July 11,
2013 11:29:58 PM <BR>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72 <BR><BR><BR>Herb
<BR><BR>But they greeted the Morning Steeler with open arms? <BR><BR>The
competing trains via P&LE/ERIE were only slightly less offensive to hard
core residents of the Forest City—they were called Steel Kings. <BR><BR>Dwight
<BR><BR>From: Herb Brannon <BR>Sent: Thursday, 11 July, 2013 22:57 <BR>To:
Western PA Trolley discussion <BR>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72 <BR>Bob,
<BR>I'm surprised that a train with the name, "Afternoon Steeler" was permitted
<BR>inside Cleveland Union Terminal. <BR><BR><BR>On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:52
PM, Bob Rathke <bobrathke@comcast.net> wrote: <BR><BR>> I watched the
first westbound train to leave Penn St ation on that bridge <BR>> in 1955 -
the Afternoon Steeler to Cleveland. <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message
----- <BR>> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider@comcast.net> <BR>>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" < <BR>>
pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org> <BR>> Sent: Thursday, July 11,
2013 3:26:38 PM <BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72 <BR>>
<BR>> Anyone else would have bought a 4-8-4. Change
that. Anyone else with <BR>> brains would have bought a
diesel. Think of NP, GN, Southern, ACL, SAL, <BR>> ATSF, even
Reading … all those who proved during WW2 how well EMD's product <BR>>
worked. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Jul 11, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Dwight
Long wrote: <BR>> <BR>> > <BR>> > Bob <BR>> > <BR>> >
Done so that T1 locos would not stall leaving the station westbound.
<BR>> The rigid frame caused the drivers to bind up on the curve, and
most <BR>> westbound trains with T1s had to be assisted by a snapper to get
out of the <BR>> station. <BR>> > <BR>> > Of course before the
project was finished, so were the T1s. <BR>> > <BR>> > Dwight
<BR>> > <BR>> > From: Bob Rathke <BR>> > Sent: Thursday, 11
July, 2013 12:55 <BR>> > To: Western PA Trolley discussion <BR>> >
Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72 <BR>> > That bridge from the PRR station
to the 6-track double-deck bridge over <BR>> the Allegheny River was replaced
by the current bridge (with a more gradual <BR>> curve) in the spring of
1955. <BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> >
From: "Raymond Lattner" <rlattner@pa.gov> <BR>> > To: "Western PA
Trolley discussion ( <BR>> pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org)" <
<BR>> pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org> <BR>> > Sent:
Thursday, July 11, 2013 11:22:33 AM <BR>> > Subject: [PRCo] PRCo
Route72 <BR>> > <BR>> > Attached is a pic of route 72 Bloomfield
car. Penn ave. downtown. <BR>> > <BR>> >> From <BR>>
http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=hpicasc_ci;med=1;q1=AIS.2012.03;size=20;c=hpicasc;back=back1373559754;subview=detail;resnum=322;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-201203.1917.6503;viewid=20130206-HPICASC-0323.TIF#
<BR>> > <BR>> > Ray <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >
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