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<DIV><FONT size=4>Fred</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>AIR the “conventional” cars that were running at the end were
center entrance and built as such. One reason Shaker went out onto the
used PCC market again—to get rid of these and the double crew in front
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=fwschneider@comcast.net
href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">Fred Schneider</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 17 July, 2013 12:02</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">Western PA Trolley
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] How far off TRACK can we
get????</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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lights herb. Green was illuminated when the controller was on, red
when there was air pressure in the brake pipe. Not tailings … my
poor typoing (you like that?)<BR><BR>Shaker had former Peter Witt trains running
in 1959. They may not have been running them in the Peter Witt fare
collection mode at that time. <BR><BR>It is my understanding that a
Peter Witt car is one with a pay as you pass fare collection system, and that
all of those cars were originally built with such a scheme … board at the front,
pay the conductor as you pass him, then exit the center door.
<BR><BR>I will defer to your memory because I didn't ride them every day … only
rode once in June 1959, took one picture after I got off at Shaker Square, had
dinner and moved on.<BR><BR>________________<BR><BR>Airlines? I can
remember when you could dash up to the gate with 15 minutes to spare, get on the
plane and go …. especially at smaller airports like Harrisburg or
Lancaster. Today I will fly only to get somewhere that I cannot go
by some other means … since I cannot swim 4,000 miles, I will fly if I want to
go to London. But my Volkswagen is a lot more civilized for a trip
to Los Angeles rather than have some fool wanting me to take my shoes off or
tell me I cannot carry water or my medications on the plane.
<BR><BR>Here is what I think of those kind of people.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Jul
17, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Herb Brannon wrote:<BR><BR>> I drove to Cleveland last
Friday to get my hair cut...........haven't<BR>> located a barber yet in
Pittsburgh who can cut a flat top to my liking.<BR>> Then drove to Cuyahoga
Falls to the Mickey Thompson tire company<BR>> headquarters so they
could look at my new tires and explain why there are<BR>> blemishes on them.
They took care to that to my liking and got the<BR>> "markings" off the
tires, especially considering the price of Mickey<BR>> Thompson light truck
tires. Then drove back to Pittsburgh.<BR>> <BR>> Monday and Tuesday a
buddy of mine came to visit Pittsburgh. He is a Lead<BR>> Ramp Agent for
American Airlines at Cleveland Hopkins airport so I figured<BR>> he would fly
(free for him) from Cleveland to Pittsburgh. He<BR>> drove...........he said
it wasn't worth all the b.s. involved and he would<BR>> be here quicker by
driving. He has about the same opinion as Derrick as to<BR>> the way the
airlines treat the passengers.<BR>> <BR>> Fred-----what do you mean by
"green and red tailings" on the Cleveland<BR>> streetcars? Also, you had
mentioned that you had ridden the "one" remaining<BR>> "Peter Witt" train on
the Shaker Rapid. Must have been a dream.........SHRT<BR>> had no Peter Witt
trains running in 1959, or for that matter in any year.<BR>> They had two (2)
"Center Entrance" trains which ran during rush hours<BR>> inbound in the
morning and outbound in the evening on the Van Aken line.<BR>> The car
numbers of these last two (2) (non-PCC) trains were: Train 1, cars<BR>> 1, 2,
6, 11, & 12 This train had "Cable MU couplers". Train 2, cars 17,
18,<BR>> 22, 25, & 26 This train had "Button MU couplers". Both trains
were<BR>> officially retired from service on November 2, 1959. They both
continued,<BR>> however, to be put back in revenue service for special events
and some rush<BR>> hour service for several months after that date. Also, car
27 had been<BR>> retained as a spare but was seldom used. The only real
"Peter Witt" cars to<BR>> be used on SHRT were Cleveland Railway 4050 and
4051 used briefly in 1935.<BR>> Also Cleveland Railway articulated Peter Witt
5014 was tested but had a<BR>> hard time making the tight loop in the
Terminal Tower station. Those were<BR>> the only three actual Peter Witt type
cars to run on SHRT.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:06 PM,
Derrick Brashear <shadow@dementix.org>wrote:<BR>> <BR>>> On Tue,
Jul 16, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Fred Schneider
<fwschneider@comcast.net<BR>>>> wrote:<BR>>> <BR>>>>
That was one of the points I was making. Remember the story we did
in<BR>>>> Headlights on Jim Shuman's week-long vacation in Indiana in
the 1938.<BR>>> He<BR>>>> had to take a week off without pay and
the total cost of the trip was<BR>>> about<BR>>>> a third of his
annual wages in an umbrella factory to ride the Pennsy to<BR>>>>
Indianapolis, take the fantrip on the Indiana Railroad, ride the NYC
over<BR>>>> to Peoria, look at the Iillinois Terminal and return
home.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> The 1939-1940 "See Both Worlds Fairs for
$100" bargain coach ticket on<BR>>> all<BR>>>> the US railroads,
if adjusted to inflation would be about $1,657 today<BR>>>
and<BR>>>> if you wanted a berth to sleep in, that would be
extra. The dining cars<BR>>>> were extra. Hotels were
extra. Makes you realize how cheap air fares<BR>>>
are<BR>>>> today, doesn't it? I knew a number of people who
availed themselves of<BR>>>> that bargain. John Bowman and
Leon Franks went from Lancaster to<BR>>>> Washington, then the Southern
to New Orleans, SP to Los Angeles, and<BR>>>> because the SD&AE was
washed out and they couldn't use the originally<BR>>>> planned route
through San Diego, the agent in LAUPT rewrote the ticket so<BR>>>> they
could make a roundtrip from LAUPT to San Diego on the Santa Fe.<BR>>>
Then<BR>>>> up the coast to San Francisco, Seattle, back to Chicago on
the Milwaukee<BR>>>> Road and home on the PRR. Shuman went
to Chicago, met George Krambles<BR>>> and<BR>>>> Bill Janssen,
and went west on the Milwaukee, down to SF on the SP and<BR>>>
home<BR>>>> on the UP and PRR … he had to get back to work on the
Pennsy.<BR>>> Difference<BR>>>> was, John was living with family
and Shuman was supporting mother and<BR>>>> sister.<BR>>>>
<BR>>>> <BR>>> Of course, now you get there if the airlines deign
to fly you. And even<BR>>> then the pricing is good only if they think it
has to be, and otherwise you<BR>>> get "yield-managed" out of as much as
possible.<BR>>> <BR>>> I have a memory of seeing tan and cream
trolleys with green and red<BR>>>> tailings in downtown Cleveland and
that would have had to have been the<BR>>>> summer of 1946 or
1947. Somewhere in there visiting Niagara Falls for<BR>>>
the<BR>>>> first time and visiting Dad's sister, when she lived in
Dayton, fit it.<BR>>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> I drove to Cleveland
yesterday for lunch (dim sum, from a cart), shopping<BR>>> (West Side
Market), and beer (Great Lakes Brewing). Then drove home and<BR>>> went
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