<div dir="ltr">If you think PRCo/PAT 1644 looks bad, take a look at SHRT 78 rusting away at NORM. This place brings "new definition" to the word "museum".<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Herb Brannon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hrbran@cavtel.net" target="_blank">hrbran@cavtel.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div>Raymond,<br></div>PRCo/PATransit PCC 1644 is at Northern Ohio Railway Museum (NORM). In the 1990s it have very little rust on it. I have attached a photo of it in 2009. Note that it is rusting through. Today (2013) it has a "lovely" rust color patina all over it. Soon all the paint will disappear, as will the car, if they don't do something about the rusting.<br>
</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Lattner, Raymond <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rlattner@pa.gov" target="_blank">rlattner@pa.gov</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Isn't there a PRCo PCC in a museum up north somewhere, a 1400 series car? Is that car still around or has it been scrapped?<br>
If still existing anyone know the condition of car?<br>
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Thanks<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org" target="_blank">pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org" target="_blank">pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org</a>] On Behalf Of Dwight Long<br>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:39 PM<br>
To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT<br>
<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
I think you will find that 304, the one I sent the photo of in service in the year 1953, went to and is at Fox River. 303 is shown at NORM.<br>
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Ole debbil memory again! I have the same problem, but believe I'm correct in this case.<br>
<br>
Dwight<br>
<br>
From: John Swindler<br>
Sent: Thursday, 18 July, 2013 11:23<br>
To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks for info on 302. Suspected it became a 'parts' car, but that was just a guess.<br>
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When Trolleyville collection dispersed in 2009, 304 went to Northern Ohio and 303 went to Fox River. (Should check the museum websites to verify the latter two car numbers - not good to rely on memory).<br>
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Of course this list is more familiar with certain other parts of the dispersion: 4145, 2227 and Toledo to PTM, plus a freight motor destined to become a 'parts' car.<br>
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> From: <a href="mailto:hrbran@cavtel.net" target="_blank">hrbran@cavtel.net</a><br>
> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:10:25 -0400<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org" target="_blank">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT<br>
><br>
> John,<br>
> Cars 302, 303, 304 and 306 were sold, by SHRT, to Gerald Brookins in 1954.<br>
> Car 302 was scrapped by Gerald Brookins in 1985 and used for parts. Car 306<br>
> went to Illinois Railway Museum in 1992. My paperwork only goes as far as<br>
> 1999 and does not indicate the disposition of cars 303 and 304. These two<br>
> were still at Trolleyville in 1999.<br>
><br>
> Interesting to note is that an agreement was signed between SHRT and<br>
> Cleveland Transit System concerning these cars. The agreement stipulated<br>
> that this series of SHRT car would not be operated in what was to become<br>
> the "joint operational territory" between East 55th Street and Terminal<br>
> Tower Station. Their last date of operation was March 14, 1955. The cars<br>
> were slow (it was felt they would slow down operations in the joint<br>
> territory) and also the required "trip arms" (which had to be installed as<br>
> a safety factor for use in the joint territory) would be too hard to<br>
> install in these cars.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:40 PM, John Swindler <<a href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com" target="_blank">j_swindler@hotmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> > Didn't Brookins save four of those Fox River Cars???<br>
> ><br>
> > One went to IRM, one went to Northern Ohio, one went to Fox River. Assume<br>
> > the fourth might have been scrapped somewhere along the line for parts.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > > From: <a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net" target="_blank">dwightlong@verizon.net</a><br>
> > > To: <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org" target="_blank">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a><br>
> > > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:35:32 -0400<br>
> > > CC: <a href="mailto:1artwheeler@gmail.com" target="_blank">1artwheeler@gmail.com</a><br>
> > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Guys<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Here is a real Peter Witt car, however, on 25 August 1953, no longer<br>
> > being used in Peter Witt fare collection mode, but rather one man, front<br>
> > entrance. This at Public Square a few months before the last line,<br>
> > Madison, Crumped.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > And forget those old center door clunkers beloved only by Clevelanders<br>
> > (Sorry Dennis and JWV!). Here is the real deal of a gem on SHRT, same day<br>
> > as above, 304 at Shaker Square. Yes, I rode it out from Terminal Tower.<br>
> > Sorry it is not a very good photo compositionwise, but it sure brings back<br>
> > memories. For those who may not know, these 1923-built St. Louis cars were<br>
> > second hand from the Aurora, Fox River and Elgin interurban in Illinois, a<br>
> > portion of which is still in use as the Fox River Trolley Museum. This<br>
> > very car was saved and lived for years at Brookins, but is now back home at<br>
> > South Elgin.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Dwight<br>
> > ><br>
> > > From: Bob Rathke<br>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 17 July, 2013 14:32<br>
> > > To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>
> > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] How far off TRACK can we get????<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Getting back on track, I am attaching three photos that I took on the<br>
> > SHR T in the mid-60's:<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > - PCC 94 at Shaker Square on 9/15/66 (94 is now at PTM).<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > - PCC 95 at Shaker Square leading an outbound 3-car train onto the Van<br>
> > Aiken line on 9/15/66.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > - Body of a double-end trolley that may have been used as an<br>
> > office/storage facility. Taken at Van Aiken loop on 8/15/64. Note the<br>
> > person in the fourth window from the right who appears to be writing at a<br>
> > desk. Does anyone kn ow the number/history of this car?<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Bob<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > ----- Original Message -----<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > From: "Fred Schneider" <<a href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net" target="_blank">fwschneider@comcast.net</a>><br>
> > > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<br>
> > <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org" target="_blank">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:40:33 PM<br>
> > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] How far off TRACK can we get????<br>
> > ><br>
> > > And remember, Derrick, when you could hand your luggage to an airline<br>
> > representative at the curb and he would tag it and it would go onto the<br>
> > plane. You didn't even have to carry it into the terminal. Back in the<br>
</div></div>> > days when they wanted business .... before they give you the business.<br>
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> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > On Jul 17, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Derrick Brashear wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > > Airlines? I can remember when you could dash up to the gate with 15<br>
</div>> > > >> minutes to spare, get on the plane and go ....<br>
<div><div>> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Me too. July 2001. 28x was late, I got to the airport at 8:06am and<br>
> > was not<br>
> > > > the last person seated on my 8:15 departure, which left on time.<br>
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