<div dir="ltr"><div>Dwight,<br></div>It is indicated that the car numbers were 60, 61, 62, 63, 64 & 65. They were built by Cincinnati Car Co in 1928-1929 originally for the Indianapolis & Southeastern. They each weigh 38,000 pounds, they are 46' 1" long, have seats for 38 passengers, each have a 4GE247 motor and K75E7 controller. They were sold to Intercity Rapid Transit (Canton, Ohio) in 1932 for use as Canton to Massillon parlor cars. Intercity Rapid Transit used them until that operation was abandoned. They were purchased by Cleveland Interurban Railroad (Shaker Heights Rapid Transit) on December 12, 1940. Cars 60, 61 and 62 began SHRT service (svc) on November 16, 1941 while 63 was in SHRT svc on February 7, 1942, 64 in svc on March 25, 1942 and car 65 started svc on June 4, 1942. SHRT renumbered the cars to the 60 through 65 numbers. The original numbers (Intercity Rapid Transit) are as follows: 60=260; 61=235; 62=245; 63=200; 64=240; 65=230. They served SHRT until sold to Kenosha Motor Coach Lines (Milwaukee Speedrail) during September, 1949. These cars were given the nomenclature of "Massillon Lightweights".<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Dwight Long <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net" target="_blank">dwightlong@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Herb<br>
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That would be correct, as KMCL was the legal name of Speedrail at that time—it may have been changed later.<br>
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What does your data show for the buyer or disposition of the CCC cars that went to Wisconsin?<br>
<br>
Dwight<br>
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From: Herb Brannon<br>
Sent: Thursday, 18 July, 2013 09:56<br>
<div><div class="h5">To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT<br>
Dwight,<br>
My data indicates that cars 300 and 301 were sold to Kenosha Motor Coach<br>
Lines (Milwaukee Speedrail) in September, 1949. The buyer is listed just as<br>
I typed it in the last sentence with "Milwaukee Speedrail" in brackets<br>
after "Kenosha Motor Coach Lines".<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Dwight Long <<a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</a>>wrote:<br>
<br>
><br>
> John<br>
><br>
> And two went to Speedrail and were used primarily on Hales Corners<br>
> service. I assume they were scrapped up there. What I don’t know is if<br>
> Speedrail or Maeder bought these cars, or if they were also property of Ed<br>
> Tennyson and leased to Speedrail.<br>
><br>
> Dwight<br>
><br>
> From: John Swindler<br>
> Sent: Wednesday, 17 July, 2013 17:40<br>
> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT<br>
><br>
> Didn't Brookins save four of those Fox River Cars???<br>
><br>
> One went to IRM, one went to Northern Ohio, one went to Fox River. Assume<br>
> the fourth might have been scrapped somewhere along the line for parts.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</a><br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a><br>
> > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:35:32 -0400<br>
> > CC: <a href="mailto:1artwheeler@gmail.com">1artwheeler@gmail.com</a><br>
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Guys<br>
> ><br>
> > Here is a real Peter Witt car, however, on 25 August 1953, no longer<br>
> being used in Peter Witt fare collection mode, but rather one man, front<br>
> entrance. This at Public Square a few months before the last line,<br>
> Madison, Crumped.<br>
> ><br>
> > And forget those old center door clunkers beloved only by Clevelanders<br>
> (Sorry Dennis and JWV!). Here is the real deal of a gem on SHRT, same day<br>
> as above, 304 at Shaker Square. Yes, I rode it out from Terminal Tower.<br>
> Sorry it is not a very good photo compositionwise, but it sure brings back<br>
> memories. For those who may not know, these 1923-built St. Louis cars were<br>
> second hand from the Aurora, Fox River and Elgin interurban in Illinois, a<br>
> portion of which is still in use as the Fox River Trolley Museum. This<br>
> very car was saved and lived for years at Brookins, but is now back home at<br>
> South Elgin.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Dwight<br>
> ><br>
> > From: Bob Rathke<br>
> > Sent: Wednesday, 17 July, 2013 14:32<br>
> > To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] How far off TRACK can we get????<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Getting back on track, I am attaching three photos that I took on the<br>
> SHR T in the mid-60's:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > - PCC 94 at Shaker Square on 9/15/66 (94 is now at PTM).<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > - PCC 95 at Shaker Square leading an outbound 3-car train onto the Van<br>
> Aiken line on 9/15/66.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > - Body of a double-end trolley that may have been used as an<br>
> office/storage facility. Taken at Van Aiken loop on 8/15/64. Note the<br>
> person in the fourth window from the right who appears to be writing at a<br>
> desk. Does anyone kn ow the number/history of this car?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Bob<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ----- Original Message -----<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > From: "Fred Schneider" <<a href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">fwschneider@comcast.net</a>><br>
> > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<br>
> <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:40:33 PM<br>
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] How far off TRACK can we get????<br>
> ><br>
> > And remember, Derrick, when you could hand your luggage to an airline<br>
> representative at the curb and he would tag it and it would go onto the<br>
> plane. You didn't even have to carry it into the terminal. Back in the<br>
> days when they wanted business …. before they give you the business.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Jul 17, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Derrick Brashear wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > > Airlines? I can remember when you could dash up to the gate with 15<br>
> > >> minutes to spare, get on the plane and go ….<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Me too. July 2001. 28x was late, I got to the airport at 8:06am and<br>
> was not<br>
> > > the last person seated on my 8:15 departure, which left on time.<br>
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