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<B>From: </B>"Herb Brannon" <hrbran@cavtel.net><BR><B>To: </B>"Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR><B>Sent: </B>Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:20:42 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT<BR><BR>If you think PRCo/PAT 1644 looks bad, take a look at SHRT 78 rusting away<BR>at NORM. This place brings "new definition" to the word "museum".<BR><BR><BR>On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran@cavtel.net> wrote:<BR><BR>> Raymond,<BR>> PRCo/PATransit PCC 1644 is at Northern Ohio Railway Museum (NORM). In the<BR>> 1990s it have very little rust on it. I have attached a photo of it in<BR>> 2009. Note that it is rusting through. Today (2013) it has a "lovely" rust<BR>> color patina all over it. Soon all the paint will disappear, as will the<BR>> car, if they don't do something about the rusting.<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Lattner, Raymond <rlattner@pa.gov>wrote:<BR>><BR>>> Isn't there a PRCo PCC in a museum up north somewhere, a 1400 series<BR>>> car? Is that car still around or has it been scrapped?<BR>>> If still existing anyone know the condition of car?<BR>>><BR>>> Thanks<BR>>><BR>>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org [mailto:<BR>>> pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Dwight<BR>>> Long<BR>>> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:39 PM<BR>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> John<BR>>><BR>>> I think you will find that 304, the one I sent the photo of in service in<BR>>> the year 1953, went to and is at Fox River. 303 is shown at NORM.<BR>>><BR>>> Ole debbil memory again! I have the same problem, but believe I'm<BR>>> correct in this case.<BR>>><BR>>> Dwight<BR>>><BR>>> From: John Swindler<BR>>> Sent: Thursday, 18 July, 2013 11:23<BR>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Thanks for info on 302. Suspected it became a 'parts' car, but that was<BR>>> just a guess.<BR>>><BR>>> When Trolleyville collection dispersed in 2009, 304 went to Northern Ohio<BR>>> and 303 went to Fox River. (Should check the museum websites to verify<BR>>> the latter two car numbers - not good to rely on memory).<BR>>><BR>>> Of course this list is more familiar with certain other parts of the<BR>>> dispersion: 4145, 2227 and Toledo to PTM, plus a freight motor destined<BR>>> to become a 'parts' car.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> > From: hrbran@cavtel.net<BR>>> > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:10:25 -0400<BR>>> > To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>>> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT<BR>>> ><BR>>> > John,<BR>>> > Cars 302, 303, 304 and 306 were sold, by SHRT, to Gerald Brookins in<BR>>> 1954.<BR>>> > Car 302 was scrapped by Gerald Brookins in 1985 and used for parts. Car<BR>>> 306<BR>>> > went to Illinois Railway Museum in 1992. My paperwork only goes as far<BR>>> as<BR>>> > 1999 and does not indicate the disposition of cars 303 and 304. These<BR>>> two<BR>>> > were still at Trolleyville in 1999.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Interesting to note is that an agreement was signed between SHRT and<BR>>> > Cleveland Transit System concerning these cars. The agreement stipulated<BR>>> > that this series of SHRT car would not be operated in what was to become<BR>>> > the "joint operational territory" between East 55th Street and Terminal<BR>>> > Tower Station. Their last date of operation was March 14, 1955. The cars<BR>>> > were slow (it was felt they would slow down operations in the joint<BR>>> > territory) and also the required "trip arms" (which had to be installed<BR>>> as<BR>>> > a safety factor for use in the joint territory) would be too hard to<BR>>> > install in these cars.<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:40 PM, John Swindler <j_swindler@hotmail.com<BR>>> >wrote:<BR>>> ><BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > Didn't Brookins save four of those Fox River Cars???<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > One went to IRM, one went to Northern Ohio, one went to Fox River.<BR>>> Assume<BR>>> > > the fourth might have been scrapped somewhere along the line for<BR>>> parts.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > ><BR>>> > ><BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > > From: dwightlong@verizon.net<BR>>> > > > To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>>> > > > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:35:32 -0400<BR>>> > > > CC: 1artwheeler@gmail.com<BR>>> > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT<BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > > Guys<BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > > Here is a real Peter Witt car, however, on 25 August 1953, no longer<BR>>> > > being used in Peter Witt fare collection mode, but rather one man,<BR>>> front<BR>>> > > entrance. This at Public Square a few months before the last line,<BR>>> > > Madison, Crumped.<BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > > And forget those old center door clunkers beloved only by<BR>>> Clevelanders<BR>>> > > (Sorry Dennis and JWV!). Here is the real deal of a gem on SHRT,<BR>>> same day<BR>>> > > as above, 304 at Shaker Square. Yes, I rode it out from Terminal<BR>>> Tower.<BR>>> > > Sorry it is not a very good photo compositionwise, but it sure<BR>>> brings back<BR>>> > > memories. For those who may not know, these 1923-built St. Louis<BR>>> cars were<BR>>> > > second hand from the Aurora, Fox River and Elgin interurban in<BR>>> Illinois, a<BR>>> > > portion of which is still in use as the Fox River Trolley Museum.<BR>>> This<BR>>> > > very car was saved and lived for years at Brookins, but is now back<BR>>> home at<BR>>> > > South Elgin.<BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > > Dwight<BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > > From: Bob Rathke<BR>>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 17 July, 2013 14:32<BR>>> > > > To: Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>>> > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] How far off TRACK can we get????<BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > > Getting back on track, I am attaching three photos that I took on<BR>>> the<BR>>> > > SHR T in the mid-60's:<BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > > - PCC 94 at Shaker Square on 9/15/66 (94 is now at PTM).<BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > > - PCC 95 at Shaker Square leading an outbound 3-car train onto the<BR>>> Van<BR>>> > > Aiken line on 9/15/66.<BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > > - Body of a double-end trolley that may have been used as an<BR>>> > > office/storage facility. Taken at Van Aiken loop on 8/15/64. Note<BR>>> the<BR>>> > > person in the fourth window from the right who appears to be writing<BR>>> at a<BR>>> > > desk. Does anyone kn ow the number/history of this car?<BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > > Bob<BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > > ----- Original Message -----<BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > > From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider@comcast.net><BR>>> > > > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<BR>>> > > pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR>>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:40:33 PM<BR>>> > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] How far off TRACK can we get????<BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > > And remember, Derrick, when you could hand your luggage to an<BR>>> airline<BR>>> > > representative at the curb and he would tag it and it would go onto<BR>>> the<BR>>> > > plane. You didn't even have to carry it into the terminal. Back<BR>>> in the<BR>>> > > days when they wanted business .... before they give you the business.<BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > > On Jul 17, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Derrick Brashear wrote:<BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > > > > Airlines? I can remember when you could dash up to the gate<BR>>> with 15<BR>>> > > > >> minutes to spare, get on the plane and go ....<BR>>> > > > ><BR>>> > > > ><BR>>> > > > > Me too. 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