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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'> <BR>Yes, switch the numbers for Northern Ohio and Fox River. I followed Derrick's link for center door trailer, and then saw 303 listed on the Northern Ohio roster.<BR> <BR>In years past, was very oblivious to museum trolley preservation activities, instead focusing on light rail developments. Seems strange that those interests seem to have switched during past decade. <BR> <BR><br> <BR><div>> From: trams2@comcast.net<br>> To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<br>> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:34:23 -0400<br>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT<br>> <br>> Ray,<br>> <br>> Car 1440 is at Seashore Trolley Museum.<br>> <br>> Ed<br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org<br>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of<br>> Lattner, Raymond<br>> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:57 PM<br>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT<br>> <br>> Isn't there a PRCo PCC in a museum up north somewhere, a 1400 series car?<br>> Is that car still around or has it been scrapped?<br>> If still existing anyone know the condition of car?<br>> <br>> Thanks<br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org<br>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of<br>> Dwight Long<br>> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:39 PM<br>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT<br>> <br>> <br>> John<br>> <br>> I think you will find that 304, the one I sent the photo of in service in<br>> the year 1953, went to and is at Fox River. 303 is shown at NORM.<br>> <br>> Ole debbil memory again! I have the same problem, but believe I'm correct<br>> in this case.<br>> <br>> Dwight<br>> <br>> From: John Swindler <br>> Sent: Thursday, 18 July, 2013 11:23<br>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion <br>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT<br>> <br>> <br>> Thanks for info on 302. Suspected it became a 'parts' car, but that was<br>> just a guess. <br>> <br>> When Trolleyville collection dispersed in 2009, 304 went to Northern Ohio<br>> and 303 went to Fox River. (Should check the museum websites to verify the<br>> latter two car numbers - not good to rely on memory). <br>> <br>> Of course this list is more familiar with certain other parts of the<br>> dispersion: 4145, 2227 and Toledo to PTM, plus a freight motor destined to<br>> become a 'parts' car. <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> > From: hrbran@cavtel.net<br>> > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:10:25 -0400<br>> > To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<br>> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT<br>> > <br>> > John,<br>> > Cars 302, 303, 304 and 306 were sold, by SHRT, to Gerald Brookins in 1954.<br>> > Car 302 was scrapped by Gerald Brookins in 1985 and used for parts. Car<br>> 306<br>> > went to Illinois Railway Museum in 1992. My paperwork only goes as far as<br>> > 1999 and does not indicate the disposition of cars 303 and 304. These two<br>> > were still at Trolleyville in 1999.<br>> > <br>> > Interesting to note is that an agreement was signed between SHRT and<br>> > Cleveland Transit System concerning these cars. The agreement stipulated<br>> > that this series of SHRT car would not be operated in what was to become<br>> > the "joint operational territory" between East 55th Street and Terminal<br>> > Tower Station. Their last date of operation was March 14, 1955. The cars<br>> > were slow (it was felt they would slow down operations in the joint<br>> > territory) and also the required "trip arms" (which had to be installed as<br>> > a safety factor for use in the joint territory) would be too hard to<br>> > install in these cars.<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:40 PM, John Swindler<br>> <j_swindler@hotmail.com>wrote:<br>> > <br>> > ><br>> > > Didn't Brookins save four of those Fox River Cars???<br>> > ><br>> > > One went to IRM, one went to Northern Ohio, one went to Fox River.<br>> Assume<br>> > > the fourth might have been scrapped somewhere along the line for parts.<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > > From: dwightlong@verizon.net<br>> > > > To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<br>> > > > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:35:32 -0400<br>> > > > CC: 1artwheeler@gmail.com<br>> > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > Guys<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Here is a real Peter Witt car, however, on 25 August 1953, no longer<br>> > > being used in Peter Witt fare collection mode, but rather one man, front<br>> > > entrance. This at Public Square a few months before the last line,<br>> > > Madison, Crumped.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > And forget those old center door clunkers beloved only by Clevelanders<br>> > > (Sorry Dennis and JWV!). Here is the real deal of a gem on SHRT, same<br>> day<br>> > > as above, 304 at Shaker Square. Yes, I rode it out from Terminal Tower.<br>> > > Sorry it is not a very good photo compositionwise, but it sure brings<br>> back<br>> > > memories. For those who may not know, these 1923-built St. Louis cars<br>> were<br>> > > second hand from the Aurora, Fox River and Elgin interurban in Illinois,<br>> a<br>> > > portion of which is still in use as the Fox River Trolley Museum. This<br>> > > very car was saved and lived for years at Brookins, but is now back home<br>> at<br>> > > South Elgin.<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > Dwight<br>> > > ><br>> > > > From: Bob Rathke<br>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 17 July, 2013 14:32<br>> > > > To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>> > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] How far off TRACK can we get????<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > Getting back on track, I am attaching three photos that I took on the<br>> > > SHR T in the mid-60's:<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > - PCC 94 at Shaker Square on 9/15/66 (94 is now at PTM).<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > - PCC 95 at Shaker Square leading an outbound 3-car train onto the<br>> Van<br>> > > Aiken line on 9/15/66.<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > - Body of a double-end trolley that may have been used as an<br>> > > office/storage facility. Taken at Van Aiken loop on 8/15/64. Note the<br>> > > person in the fourth window from the right who appears to be writing at<br>> a<br>> > > desk. Does anyone kn ow the number/history of this car?<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > Bob<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > ----- Original Message -----<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider@comcast.net><br>> > > > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<br>> > > pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><br>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:40:33 PM<br>> > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] How far off TRACK can we get????<br>> > > ><br>> > > > And remember, Derrick, when you could hand your luggage to an airline<br>> > > representative at the curb and he would tag it and it would go onto the<br>> > > plane. You didn't even have to carry it into the terminal. Back in<br>> the<br>> > > days when they wanted business .... before they give you the business.<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > On Jul 17, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Derrick Brashear wrote:<br>> > > ><br>> > > > > Airlines? I can remember when you could dash up to the gate with<br>> 15<br>> > > > >> minutes to spare, get on the plane and go ....<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > Me too. 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