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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'> <BR> <BR> <BR>Ask Ed Lybarger. Janis posted a pix of Ed with one of the 'girls'.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR><br> <BR><div>> From: allmanr@verizon.net<br>> To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<br>> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 17:39:57 -0400<br>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum<br>> <br>> do they give free samples?!<br>> <br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider@comcast.net><br>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <br>> <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><br>> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 4:18 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum<br>> <br>> <br>> John:<br>> <br>> All sorts of stuff on line about Skagway Brothel tours … and Ed is correct … <br>> worth it.<br>> <br>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU-MSZayplM<br>> <br>> http://www.redonion1898.com/history.html<br>> <br>> <br>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:<br>> <br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Attached are a couple of photos I took in Ft. Worth on 10/24/74. Those <br>> > trolleys were ex-DC PCC's. The first photo is of the rear of the car, <br>> > and second photo shows the original PCC front end.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Bob<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ----- Original Message -----<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong@verizon.net><br>> > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <br>> > <pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><br>> > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41:48 PM<br>> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > John<br>> ><br>> > But nothing has yet been said about when Seashore regauged or retrucked <br>> > the car. It is not necessarily true that because the acquired the car in <br>> > the 60s that they did the conversion right away. AIR it took Branford a <br>> > decade or more to retruck their PSTC car. I don’t know the answer to <br>> > that. But is it not true that by the 1970s the first replacement of CTA <br>> > PCC rapid cars was in progress? I seem to recall that Leonard Brothers <br>> > bought several sets from them as spares for their subway operation—it <br>> > could have been in the 80s though. But so could Seashore’s conversion. <br>> > Unless we ask someone from there when it was done, and how, we are just <br>> > speculating.<br>> ><br>> > But that is something we are good at!<br>> ><br>> > Dwight<br>> ><br>> > From: John Swindler<br>> > Sent: Friday, 19 July, 2013 13:30<br>> > To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Except CTA was not scrapping PCC rapid transit cars in 1960s, and Boston <br>> > (figuratively) was just around the corner.<br>> ><br>> > This is somewhat of a sequel to previous thread about B&O overnight <br>> > trains. If CTA gives a system pass to a railfan employee, he'll spend his <br>> > time-off riding and photographing 4000s on the northside 'el'.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> From: dwightlong@verizon.net<br>> >> To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<br>> >> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:07:54 -0400<br>> >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Fred<br>> >><br>> >> But who’s to say they did not buy a set or sets of trucks in advance? <br>> >> Also, could not Chicago PCC rapid car trucks be used—of course air brakes <br>> >> would have to be fitted.<br>> >><br>> >> Dwight<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> From: Fred Schneider<br>> >> Sent: Friday, 19 July, 2013 11:57<br>> >> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>> >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum<br>> >> You would have had to cut the extension rings off the axle housings. <br>> >> Put bearings in the end of the shorter axle housings if they had a place <br>> >> to put them. Install shorter axles. Then, since this is an air car, <br>> >> you would need to fabricate new, shorter brake beams. It would be a lot <br>> >> easier than a outside framed truck ….<br>> >><br>> >> BUT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO FIND A PAIR OF TRUCKS OF THE <br>> >> RIGHT GAUGE IN THE SCRAP HEAP SOMEWHERE ELSE. That car would have come <br>> >> to Seashore in the mid to late 1960s. The Montreal cars were gone in <br>> >> 1959. Washington's cars were gone by 1962. But Boston may have had <br>> >> standard gauge air cards then and one of the Seashore members worked for <br>> >> MTA / MBTA in the shops.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On Jul 19, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:<br>> >><br>> >>> I thought the book, PCC the Car That Fought Back, indicated it was <br>> >>> relatively easy to change the gauge of the trucks?<br>> >>><br>> >>> -----Original Message----- <br>> >>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org <br>> >>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of <br>> >>> John Swindler<br>> >>> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:38 AM<br>> >>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>> >>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> We tend to use the term 're-gauge', which implies modifying the original <br>> >>> trucks. But suspect it would be a lot cheaper to swap for trucks that <br>> >>> are already standard gauge. In the end, same difference - 1440 is <br>> >>> operable on Seashore track, only quicker and cheaper.<br>> >>><br>> >>> PTM has the opposite problem - finding broad gauge trucks to fit under <br>> >>> standard gauge equipment without going to expense of re-gauging. I <br>> >>> suspect the Boston dump car is an example. However, the open car did <br>> >>> not lend itself to an easy expedient.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Never paid much attention to re-gauging issues until the Trolley Fare <br>> >>> accounts on work that had to be done for several recent PTM <br>> >>> acquisitions.<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>>> From: dwightlong@verizon.net<br>> >>>> To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<br>> >>>> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 03:20:42 -0400<br>> >>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> John<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Perhaps so they could operate it on their standard gauge track? What <br>> >>>> am I missing in this question?<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Dwight<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> From: John Swindler<br>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, 18 July, 2013 21:51<br>> >>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>> >>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> huh, Fred???<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Alan Pegler never had a Royal Scot. Those were London-Midland-Scottish <br>> >>>> 4-6-0 types used on the West Coast main line. The first one - #6100 <br>> >>>> Royal Scot has been preserved.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> The "Flying Scotsman" is an A-3 class London and Northeastern <br>> >>>> 'pacific' type loco used on the East Coast main line.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> The only similarity is that both made trips to US, but neither you nor <br>> >>>> I ever saw the Royal Scot in this country - it's US visit was during <br>> >>>> 1930s.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> As for PRC 1440, finding this link falls into the category of just dumb <br>> >>>> luck. Any reason Seashore would re-gauge the PRC trucks rather than <br>> >>>> use an extra set of Boston PCC trucks????<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> http://www.trolleymuseum.org/collection/browse.php?id=01440SPA<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>>> From: fwschneider@comcast.net<br>> >>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 19:49:27 -0400<br>> >>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<br>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Here is a link to 1440 on Seashore's web site.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> http://www.trolleymuseum.org/collection/browse.php?id=01440SPA<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> I have no idea what shape it is in today. Remember when Alan Pegler's <br>> >>>>> Royal Scot (4472) was running in the U. S. A? I think it is called <br>> >>>>> the Flying Scotsman today and there is a joke on line about renaming <br>> >>>>> it after the prime minister by simply removing the F from the name.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Well, I think that might have been about 1969. I went up on the <br>> >>>>> Night Clunker from Philly to Providence and met Bill Middleton (the <br>> >>>>> Navy had him in Newport, RI then) and we spent the weekend chasing a <br>> >>>>> British steam engine and riding trolleys at Seashore. That was the <br>> >>>>> only time I saw 1440 and it looked pretty good them. I have been up <br>> >>>>> that way one or two times since but I didn't see it out.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> On Jul 18, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>>> It was operable at that time. 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