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<DIV><FONT size=4>Fred</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>As long as we are talking theory here, and not practicality, I
believe all that could have been swapped out.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=fwschneider@comcast.net
href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">Fred Schneider</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 19 July, 2013 16:21</DIV>
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href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">Western PA Trolley
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in
Museum</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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spam can trucks may have had solid steel wheels and a different size
wheel. They also had 1433 motors (75 hp) instead of 1432 (55
hp). Would not be appropriate. <BR><BR><BR>On Jul 19, 2013, at
1:07 PM, Dwight Long wrote:<BR><BR>> <BR>> Fred<BR>> <BR>> But who’s
to say they did not buy a set or sets of trucks in advance? Also, could
not Chicago PCC rapid car trucks be used—of course air brakes would have to be
fitted.<BR>> <BR>> Dwight<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> From: Fred Schneider
<BR>> Sent: Friday, 19 July, 2013 11:57<BR>> To: Western PA Trolley
discussion <BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum<BR>>
You would have had to cut the extension rings off the axle housings.
Put bearings in the end of the shorter axle housings if they had a place to put
them. Install shorter axles. Then, since this is an air
car, you would need to fabricate new, shorter brake beams. It would
be a lot easier than a outside framed truck ….<BR>> <BR>> BUT IT MIGHT
HAVE BEEN A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO FIND A PAIR OF TRUCKS OF THE RIGHT GAUGE IN THE
SCRAP HEAP SOMEWHERE ELSE. That car would have come to
Seashore in the mid to late 1960s. The Montreal cars were gone in
1959. Washington's cars were gone by 1962. But Boston
may have had standard gauge air cards then and one of the Seashore members
worked for MTA / MBTA in the shops. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:<BR>>
<BR>>> I thought the book, PCC the Car That Fought Back, indicated it was
relatively easy to change the gauge of the trucks? <BR>>> <BR>>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>>> From:
pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of John
Swindler<BR>>> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:38 AM<BR>>> To: Western
PA Trolley discussion<BR>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in
Museum<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> We tend
to use the term 're-gauge', which implies modifying the original trucks.
But suspect it would be a lot cheaper to swap for trucks that are already
standard gauge. In the end, same difference - 1440 is operable on Seashore
track, only quicker and cheaper. <BR>>> <BR>>> PTM has the
opposite problem - finding broad gauge trucks to fit under standard gauge
equipment without going to expense of re-gauging. I suspect the Boston
dump car is an example. However, the open car did not lend itself to an
easy expedient. <BR>>> <BR>>> Never paid much attention
to re-gauging issues until the Trolley Fare accounts on work that had to be done
for several recent PTM acquisitions. <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>>
<BR>>>> From: dwightlong@verizon.net<BR>>>> To:
pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>>>> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013
03:20:42 -0400<BR>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in
Museum<BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>> John<BR>>>>
<BR>>>> Perhaps so they could operate it on their standard gauge
track? What am I missing in this question?<BR>>>>
<BR>>>> Dwight<BR>>>> <BR>>>> From: John
Swindler<BR>>>> Sent: Thursday, 18 July, 2013 21:51<BR>>>> To:
Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400
Series PCC in Museum<BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>> huh,
Fred???<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Alan Pegler never had a Royal
Scot. Those were London-Midland-Scottish 4-6-0 types used on the West
Coast main line. The first one - #6100 Royal Scot has been
preserved. <BR>>>> <BR>>>> The "Flying Scotsman" is
an A-3 class London and Northeastern 'pacific' type loco used on the East
Coast main line.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> The only similarity is that
both made trips to US, but neither you nor I ever saw the Royal Scot in this
country - it's US visit was during 1930s.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> As
for PRC 1440, finding this link falls into the category of just dumb luck.
Any reason Seashore would re-gauge the PRC trucks rather than use an extra set
of Boston PCC trucks????<BR>>>> <BR>>>>
http://www.trolleymuseum.org/collection/browse.php?id=01440SPA<BR>>>>
<BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>>> From:
fwschneider@comcast.net<BR>>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 19:49:27
-0400<BR>>>>> To:
pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo]
PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> Here is a
link to 1440 on Seashore's web site.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>
http://www.trolleymuseum.org/collection/browse.php?id=01440SPA<BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> I have no idea what shape it is in today. Remember
when Alan Pegler's Royal Scot (4472) was running in the U. S.
A? I think it is called the Flying Scotsman today and there is
a joke on line about renaming it after the prime minister by simply removing the
F from the name. <BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> Well, I think
that might have been about 1969. I went up on the Night Clunker from
Philly to Providence and met Bill Middleton (the Navy had him in Newport, RI
then) and we spent the weekend chasing a British steam engine and riding
trolleys at Seashore. That was the only time I saw 1440 and it
looked pretty good them. I have been up that way one or two
times since but I didn't see it out.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> On Jul 18, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Edward H.
Lybarger wrote:<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>> It was operable at
that time. I presume it still is...can't find a photo of it -- or most
other cars -- on their website.<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>
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