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<DIV><FONT size=4>But nothing has yet been said about when Seashore regauged or
retrucked the car. It is not necessarily true that because the acquired the car
in the 60s that they did the conversion right away. AIR it took Branford a
decade or more to retruck their PSTC car. I don’t know the answer to
that. But is it not true that by the 1970s the first replacement of CTA
PCC rapid cars was in progress? I seem to recall that Leonard Brothers
bought several sets from them as spares for their subway operation—it could have
been in the 80s though. But so could Seashore’s conversion. Unless
we ask someone from there when it was done, and how, we are just speculating.
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<DIV><FONT size=4>But that is something we are good at!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=j_swindler@hotmail.com
href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com">John Swindler</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 19 July, 2013 13:30</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in
Museum</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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CTA was not scrapping PCC rapid transit cars in 1960s, and Boston (figuratively)
was just around the corner. <BR> <BR>This is somewhat of a sequel to
previous thread about B&O overnight trains. If CTA gives a system pass
to a railfan employee, he'll spend his time-off riding and photographing 4000s
on the northside 'el'.
<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR><BR> <BR>> From:
dwightlong@verizon.net<BR>> To:
pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:07:54
-0400<BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> Fred<BR>> <BR>> But who’s to say they did not buy a set or sets
of trucks in advance? Also, could not Chicago PCC rapid car trucks be
used—of course air brakes would have to be fitted.<BR>> <BR>>
Dwight<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> From: Fred Schneider <BR>> Sent: Friday, 19
July, 2013 11:57<BR>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion <BR>> Subject: Re:
[PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum<BR>> You would have had to cut the
extension rings off the axle housings. Put bearings in the end of
the shorter axle housings if they had a place to put them. Install
shorter axles. Then, since this is an air car, you would need to
fabricate new, shorter brake beams. It would be a lot easier than a
outside framed truck ….<BR>> <BR>> BUT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A WHOLE LOT
EASIER TO FIND A PAIR OF TRUCKS OF THE RIGHT GAUGE IN THE SCRAP HEAP SOMEWHERE
ELSE. That car would have come to Seashore in the mid to late
1960s. The Montreal cars were gone in 1959. Washington's
cars were gone by 1962. But Boston may have had standard gauge air
cards then and one of the Seashore members worked for MTA / MBTA in the
shops. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Jul 19, 2013,
at 11:03 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > I thought the book,
PCC the Car That Fought Back, indicated it was relatively easy to change the
gauge of the trucks? <BR>> > <BR>> > -----Original
Message-----<BR>> > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of John
Swindler<BR>> > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:38 AM<BR>> > To:
Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series
PCC in Museum<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>>
> We tend to use the term 're-gauge', which implies modifying the original
trucks. But suspect it would be a lot cheaper to swap for trucks that are
already standard gauge. In the end, same difference - 1440 is operable on
Seashore track, only quicker and cheaper. <BR>> > <BR>> > PTM
has the opposite problem - finding broad gauge trucks to fit under standard
gauge equipment without going to expense of re-gauging. I suspect the
Boston dump car is an example. However, the open car did not lend itself
to an easy expedient. <BR>> > <BR>> > Never paid much
attention to re-gauging issues until the Trolley Fare accounts on work that had
to be done for several recent PTM acquisitions. <BR>> > <BR>> >
<BR>> > <BR>> >> From: dwightlong@verizon.net<BR>> >>
To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>> >> Date: Fri, 19 Jul
2013 03:20:42 -0400<BR>> >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in
Museum<BR>> >> <BR>> >> <BR>> >> John<BR>>
>> <BR>> >> Perhaps so they could operate it on their standard
gauge track? What am I missing in this question?<BR>> >> <BR>>
>> Dwight<BR>> >> <BR>> >> From: John Swindler<BR>>
>> Sent: Thursday, 18 July, 2013 21:51<BR>> >> To: Western PA
Trolley discussion<BR>> >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in
Museum<BR>> >> <BR>> >> <BR>> >> huh, Fred???<BR>>
>> <BR>> >> Alan Pegler never had a Royal Scot. Those were
London-Midland-Scottish 4-6-0 types used on the West Coast main line. The
first one - #6100 Royal Scot has been preserved. <BR>> >>
<BR>> >> The "Flying Scotsman" is an A-3 class London and
Northeastern 'pacific' type loco used on the East Coast main line.<BR>>
>> <BR>> >> The only similarity is that both made trips to US,
but neither you nor I ever saw the Royal Scot in this country - it's US visit
was during 1930s.<BR>> >> <BR>> >> As for PRC 1440, finding
this link falls into the category of just dumb luck. Any reason Seashore
would re-gauge the PRC trucks rather than use an extra set of Boston PCC
trucks????<BR>> >> <BR>> >>
http://www.trolleymuseum.org/collection/browse.php?id=01440SPA<BR>> >>
<BR>> >> <BR>> >> <BR>> >> <BR>> >>>
From: fwschneider@comcast.net<BR>> >>> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013
19:49:27 -0400<BR>> >>> To:
pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>> >>> Subject: Re:
[PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>>
Here is a link to 1440 on Seashore's web site.<BR>> >>> <BR>>
>>>
http://www.trolleymuseum.org/collection/browse.php?id=01440SPA<BR>>
>>> <BR>> >>> I have no idea what shape it is in
today. Remember when Alan Pegler's Royal Scot (4472) was running in
the U. S. A? I think it is called the Flying Scotsman today
and there is a joke on line about renaming it after the prime minister by simply
removing the F from the name. <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>>
Well, I think that might have been about 1969. I went up on the
Night Clunker from Philly to Providence and met Bill Middleton (the Navy had him
in Newport, RI then) and we spent the weekend chasing a British steam engine and
riding trolleys at Seashore. That was the only time I saw 1440 and
it looked pretty good them. I have been up that way one or two
times since but I didn't see it out.<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>>
<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> On Jul 18, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Edward
H. Lybarger wrote:<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>>> It was
operable at that time. I presume it still is...can't find a photo of it --
or most other cars -- on their website.<BR>> >>>> <BR>>
>>> <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>>
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