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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Herb</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">But Irvin works is not a primary producer but
rather a rolling mill (as you said) and so would not generate the "fire and
brimstone" that characterized a primary steel producer.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">I went by Clairton on a train in July and did
not notice any smoke at all, just some condensed water vapor. I think the
coking processes are so contained these days that very little emissions emanate
from it. Besides environmental concerns, the steelmakers have learned that
the effluents from the coke making process are valuable by products that need to
be trapped and sold. The days of the beehive coke ovens that spewed all
the byproducts into the atmosphere are long gone.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=hrbran@cavtel.net href="mailto:hrbran@cavtel.net">Herb Brannon</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">Western PA Trolley
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 21, 2013 10:41
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and
Coal</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Bob R,<BR>It still had that "orange glow" when I first moved
here in 1972. Plus, when<BR>atmospheric conditions were right, it smelled like
fire & brimstone,<BR>everywhere. Even today, on humid days, I still
smell the "fire &<BR>brimstone" coming from the Irvin Works just over the
hill (on Camp Hollow<BR>Rd) to the south-east of my place.<BR><BR>Contrary to
popular opinion steel is not dead in Pittsburgh. The Clairton<BR>Works still
produces coke as it always did, the Edgar Thompson Works makes<BR>primary
steel, the Irvin Works produces rolled steel and the relatively
new<BR>Mckeesport Tubular Works (old National Works, now reopened) makes
tubular<BR>products for the Marcellus Shale drilling industry. So the sulphur
and fire<BR>& brimstone can still be smelled on humid days and the orange
glow is still<BR>available in Braddock and Clairton.<BR><BR><BR>On Mon, Oct
21, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Bob Rathke <<A
href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR>> Driving south from Zelienople at night in the 1950's you
didn't need a<BR>> compass to locate Pittsburgh - the sky there always had
an orange glow.<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>><BR>>
From: "John Swindler" <<A
href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com">j_swindler@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<BR>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:09 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning
Leaves--and Coal<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Was chatting with some PTM
visitors yesterday, and among the "Pittsburg<BR>> smells" mentioned was
J&L sulfur smell upon exiting Squirrel Hill Tunnels<BR>> and heading
downgrade to Brady St. exit. They were old enough to
remember<BR>> air pollution from late 1940s - (before my
time).<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> > From: <A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</A><BR>> >
To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>>
> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:04:35 -0400<BR>> > Subject: Re: [PRCo]
Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Herb<BR>>
><BR>> > In Beaver burning next to the curb was OK on concrete
streets (we lived<BR>> on one) or brick ones (still several left in the
50s) but not on asphalt<BR>> nor tarred ones!<BR>> ><BR>> >
Tar? When I was in first or second grade I came home from school
for<BR>> lunch. On the way back to school the alley that I used as a
shortcut was<BR>> being freshly tarred. I followed the tar dispensing
truck, fascinated.<BR>> When I got to school I was sent home
immediately. I looked like the<BR>> proverbial tarbaby. Lots of
turpentine and stiff scrubbing later, and a<BR>> new suit of clothes, I
returned and was admitted.<BR>> ><BR>> > And we still had plenty
of coal furnaces in our town back then, although<BR>> our house used
gas. I well recall the smell of the coal burning on cold<BR>> winter
days whilst delivering the Pittsburgh Press to my paper route<BR>>
customers. The last time I encountered that smell was just a few years
ago<BR>> in a suburb of Budapest while fotting the trams there.
Brought back many<BR>> memories!<BR>> ><BR>> > Dwight<BR>>
><BR>> > From: Herb Brannon<BR>> > Sent: Monday, 21 October,
2013 10:48<BR>> > To: Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>> >
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves<BR>> > When I was a child, in
Akron, the common practice was to burn the leaves<BR>> > in the
street but along the curb stones. Sometimes the piles of leaves<BR>>
were<BR>> > so large that the fires would become too large and would
spread to the<BR>> > treelawn. Then the fire department would be called
to put out the fires.<BR>> It<BR>> > made for an exciting day or
evening. Ranking right up there with the<BR>> smell<BR>> > of burning
leaves are also the smell of coal smoke and the smell of fresh<BR>> >
tar.............three of the "little joys of life" now gone by the<BR>>
wayside.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:33
AM, Dwight Long <<A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</A><BR>>
>wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > Herb<BR>> >
><BR>> > > I can remember back in the 50s coming back to Beaver
from auto trips to<BR>> > > the East that involved the Pa Turnpike—we
would use the Warrendale<BR>> exit and<BR>> > > the back roads to
Beaver. Coming down into the (Beaver) valley off the<BR>> > >
hill the whole floor of the valley would be engulfed in leaf smoke.<BR>>
> ><BR>> > > Unhealthy, they say, but it sure did convey the
impression that Autumn<BR>> was<BR>> > > upon us!<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Dwight<BR>> > ><BR>> > > From: Herb
Brannon<BR>> > > Sent: Sunday, 20 October, 2013 10:36<BR>> >
> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>> > > Subject: Re: [PRCo]
Phil asked about music<BR>> > > You mentioned something I really
miss.............the smell of burning<BR>> > > leaves in
October.<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > On Sun, Oct 20,
2013 at 8:37 AM, DF Cramer <<A
href="mailto:alto_trombone@hotmail.com">alto_trombone@hotmail.com</A><BR>>
> > >wrote:<BR>> > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> >
> ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > Well, what have I been
up to? The beginning of the month I performed<BR>> > > > Copland,
Brahms, & Dvorak with the Butler County Symphony,our (my<BR>>
wife<BR>> > > > plays cello) 28th season with the ensemble. I am
back at IUP and<BR>> > > delivered<BR>> > > > two
arrangements of French Noels from the Baroque period to begin the<BR>> >
> > semester and last week conducted a first reading of my "The
Eternal<BR>> > > Flame",<BR>> > > > a commemorative piece
for double trombone choir and narrator I wrote<BR>> to<BR>> > >
> mark the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination. All of
that<BR>> will<BR>> > > be<BR>> > > > performed on
November 19 at the university. Next week I perform with<BR>> IUP<BR>>
> > > brass & organ faculty at Zion Lutheran in Indiana for
Reformation<BR>> Sunday<BR>> > > > and the following week we
are doing Charlie Chaplin's "City Lights"<BR>> in<BR>> > > >
Butler. Chaplin created the musical score for this silent film and we<BR>>
> > will<BR>> > > > be showing the film as we perform. (Side
note: if you want tickets<BR>> let me<BR>> > > > know as soon
as possible--I usually get 4 free ones)<BR>> > > > Other than
that, I spent quality time with Ed at the Alle-Kiski<BR>> > >
Historical<BR>> > > > Society, led a new operator training class
at PTM, printed and<BR>> stuffed<BR>> > > > ballots for PTM,
and am going to the opera today to see Aida<BR>> (football<BR>> >
> fan<BR>> > > > alert--Franco Harris is leading the Grand
March in the opera today)<BR>> > > > I spend lots of time
practicing and cleaning up leaves. I mulch<BR>> some and<BR>> >
> > burn others---yes we are still permitted to burn here.<BR>> >
> > If you missed it--I also performed at the PTM 50th
Anniversary<BR>> luncheon.<BR>> > > > See the most recent issue
of PTM Trolley Fare, Fred Schneider took<BR>> some<BR>> > > >
great images.<BR>> > > > Dennis F. Cramer<BR>> > > >
<A
href="http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/">http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/</A><BR>>
> > ><BR>> > > > > Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:49:49
-0700<BR>> > > > > From: <A
href="mailto:pcc_sr@yahoo.com">pcc_sr@yahoo.com</A><BR>> > > >
> To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>>
> > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] still having issues<BR>> > >
> ><BR>> > > > > Stereo-vision isn't it Mr.Cramer!
Soapbox opportunity; make the<BR>> most<BR>> > > of<BR>> >
> > it!<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > You have
not recently mentioned anything about your concert or<BR>> music<BR>>
> > > engagements.<BR>> > > > > I find them
fascinating. Music is not at all unlike laughter is<BR>> it;<BR>>
> > > both speak a universal language.<BR>> > > >
><BR>> > > > > Yes; BB are the last posts I have seen.
There was not much of<BR>> anything<BR>> > > > before your BB
posts for several weeks. You mentioned a book in<BR>>
relation<BR>> > > > to this; please tell more.<BR>> > >
> ><BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > Phil<BR>>
> > > ><BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > >
><BR>> > > > >
--------------------------------------------<BR>> > > > > On
Sat, 10/19/13, DF Cramer <<A
href="mailto:alto_trombone@hotmail.com">alto_trombone@hotmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > Subject:
[PRCo] still having issues<BR>> > > > > To: "<A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>"
<<BR>> > > > <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>
> > > > Date: Saturday, October 19, 2013, 3:52 AM<BR>>
> > > ><BR>> > > > > it seemed very
interesting that after<BR>> > > > > I posted on the list,
several emails came through. I assume people<BR>> > > were<BR>>
> > > responding with reply all. I have received no posts from
the list<BR>> other<BR>> > > > than those dealing with Billy
Baxter.<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > Dennis
F. Cramer<BR>> > > > > <A
href="http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/">http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/</A><BR>>
> > > ><BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > >
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