<html><body><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><DIV aria-label="Compose body">In the 1970's, USS's Muriel St. facility was the Direct Mail Center - computer operations, literature storage and fulfillment. If it's still there, I'm not sure about its current function.<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>It seems that back in the "big steel" days the main producers of smoke and<BR>fire were the USS Homestead Works and just about everything J & L had<BR>operating.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>USS also has some type of operation on Muriel Street in Southside. I'm not<BR>sure what they do there, however. USS also has a research center in<BR>Homestead still operating. Even with all these operating facilities, the<BR>number of people employed by USS comes nowhere near what those facilities<BR>used to employ.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong@verizon.net>wrote:<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>><BR>> Herb<BR>><BR>> But Irvin works is not a primary producer but rather a rolling mill (as<BR>> you said) and so would not generate the "fire and brimstone" that<BR>> characterized a primary steel producer.<BR>><BR>> I went by Clairton on a train in July and did not notice any smoke at all,<BR>> just some condensed water vapor. I think the coking processes are so<BR>> contained these days that very little emissions emanate from it. Besides<BR>> environmental concerns, the steelmakers have learned that the effluents<BR>> from the coke making process are valuable by products that need to be<BR>> trapped and sold. The days of the beehive coke ovens that spewed all the<BR>> byproducts into the atmosphere are long gone.<BR>><BR>> Dwight<BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: Herb Brannon<BR>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:41 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>><BR>><BR>> Bob R,<BR>> It still had that "orange glow" when I first moved here in 1972. Plus,<BR>> when<BR>> atmospheric conditions were right, it smelled like fire & brimstone,<BR>> everywhere. Even today, on humid days, I still smell the "fire &<BR>> brimstone" coming from the Irvin Works just over the hill (on Camp Hollow<BR>> Rd) to the south-east of my place.<BR>><BR>> Contrary to popular opinion steel is not dead in Pittsburgh. The Clairton<BR>> Works still produces coke as it always did, the Edgar Thompson Works<BR>> makes<BR>> primary steel, the Irvin Works produces rolled steel and the relatively<BR>> new<BR>> Mckeesport Tubular Works (old National Works, now reopened) makes tubular<BR>> products for the Marcellus Shale drilling industry. So the sulphur and<BR>> fire<BR>> & brimstone can still be smelled on humid days and the orange glow is<BR>> still<BR>> available in Braddock and Clairton.<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Bob Rathke <bobrathke@comcast.net><BR>> wrote:<BR>><BR>> > Driving south from Zelienople at night in the 1950's you didn't need a<BR>> > compass to locate Pittsburgh - the sky there always had an orange glow.<BR>> ><BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> ><BR>> > From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler@hotmail.com><BR>> > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<BR>> > pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR>> > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:09 AM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Was chatting with some PTM visitors yesterday, and among the "Pittsburg<BR>> > smells" mentioned was J&L sulfur smell upon exiting Squirrel Hill<BR>> Tunnels<BR>> > and heading downgrade to Brady St. exit. They were old enough to<BR>> remember<BR>> > air pollution from late 1940s - (before my time).<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > > From: dwightlong@verizon.net<BR>> > > To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>> > > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:04:35 -0400<BR>> > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > Herb<BR>> > ><BR>> > > In Beaver burning next to the curb was OK on concrete streets (we<BR>> lived<BR>> > on one) or brick ones (still several left in the 50s) but not on<BR>> asphalt<BR>> > nor tarred ones!<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Tar? When I was in first or second grade I came home from school for<BR>> > lunch. On the way back to school the alley that I used as a shortcut<BR>> was<BR>> > being freshly tarred. I followed the tar dispensing truck, fascinated.<BR>> > When I got to school I was sent home immediately. I looked like the<BR>> > proverbial tarbaby. Lots of turpentine and stiff scrubbing later, and<BR>> a<BR>> > new suit of clothes, I returned and was admitted.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > And we still had plenty of coal furnaces in our town back then,<BR>> although<BR>> > our house used gas. I well recall the smell of the coal burning on<BR>> cold<BR>> > winter days whilst delivering the Pittsburgh Press to my paper route<BR>> > customers. The last time I encountered that smell was just a few<BR>> years ago<BR>> > in a suburb of Budapest while fotting the trams there. Brought back<BR>> many<BR>> > memories!<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Dwight<BR>> > ><BR>> > > From: Herb Brannon<BR>> > > Sent: Monday, 21 October, 2013 10:48<BR>> > > To: Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>> > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves<BR>> > > When I was a child, in Akron, the common practice was to burn the<BR>> leaves<BR>> > > in the street but along the curb stones. Sometimes the piles of<BR>> leaves<BR>> > were<BR>> > > so large that the fires would become too large and would spread to<BR>> the<BR>> > > treelawn. Then the fire department would be called to put out the<BR>> fires.<BR>> > It<BR>> > > made for an exciting day or evening. Ranking right up there with the<BR>> > smell<BR>> > > of burning leaves are also the smell of coal smoke and the smell of<BR>> fresh<BR>> > > tar.............three of the "little joys of life" now gone by the<BR>> > wayside.<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Dwight Long <<BR>> dwightlong@verizon.net<BR>> > >wrote:<BR>> > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > Herb<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > I can remember back in the 50s coming back to Beaver from auto<BR>> trips to<BR>> > > > the East that involved the Pa Turnpike—we would use the Warrendale<BR>> > exit and<BR>> > > > the back roads to Beaver. Coming down into the (Beaver) valley<BR>> off the<BR>> > > > hill the whole floor of the valley would be engulfed in leaf smoke.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > Unhealthy, they say, but it sure did convey the impression that<BR>> Autumn<BR>> > was<BR>> > > > upon us!<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > Dwight<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > From: Herb Brannon<BR>> > > > Sent: Sunday, 20 October, 2013 10:36<BR>> > > > To: Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>> > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Phil asked about music<BR>> > > > You mentioned something I really miss.............the smell of<BR>> burning<BR>> > > > leaves in October.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 8:37 AM, DF Cramer <<BR>> alto_trombone@hotmail.com<BR>> > > > >wrote:<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > Well, what have I been up to? The beginning of the month I<BR>> performed<BR>> > > > > Copland, Brahms, & Dvorak with the Butler County Symphony,our (my<BR>> > wife<BR>> > > > > plays cello) 28th season with the ensemble. I am back at IUP and<BR>> > > > delivered<BR>> > > > > two arrangements of French Noels from the Baroque period to<BR>> begin the<BR>> > > > > semester and last week conducted a first reading of my "The<BR>> Eternal<BR>> > > > Flame",<BR>> > > > > a commemorative piece for double trombone choir and narrator I<BR>> wrote<BR>> > to<BR>> > > > > mark the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination. All of<BR>> that<BR>> > will<BR>> > > > be<BR>> > > > > performed on November 19 at the university. Next week I perform<BR>> with<BR>> > IUP<BR>> > > > > brass & organ faculty at Zion Lutheran in Indiana for Reformation<BR>> > Sunday<BR>> > > > > and the following week we are doing Charlie Chaplin's "City<BR>> Lights"<BR>> > in<BR>> > > > > Butler. Chaplin created the musical score for this silent film<BR>> and we<BR>> > > > will<BR>> > > > > be showing the film as we perform. (Side note: if you want<BR>> tickets<BR>> > let me<BR>> > > > > know as soon as possible--I usually get 4 free ones)<BR>> > > > > Other than that, I spent quality time with Ed at the Alle-Kiski<BR>> > > > Historical<BR>> > > > > Society, led a new operator training class at PTM, printed and<BR>> > stuffed<BR>> > > > > ballots for PTM, and am going to the opera today to see Aida<BR>> > (football<BR>> > > > fan<BR>> > > > > alert--Franco Harris is leading the Grand March in the opera<BR>> today)<BR>> > > > > I spend lots of time practicing and cleaning up leaves. I mulch<BR>> > some and<BR>> > > > > burn others---yes we are still permitted to burn here.<BR>> > > > > If you missed it--I also performed at the PTM 50th Anniversary<BR>> > luncheon.<BR>> > > > > See the most recent issue of PTM Trolley Fare, Fred Schneider<BR>> took<BR>> > some<BR>> > > > > great images.<BR>> > > > > Dennis F. Cramer<BR>> > > > > http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > > Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:49:49 -0700<BR>> > > > > > From: pcc_sr@yahoo.com<BR>> > > > > > To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] still having issues<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > Stereo-vision isn't it Mr.Cramer! Soapbox opportunity; make<BR>> the<BR>> > most<BR>> > > > of<BR>> > > > > it!<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > You have not recently mentioned anything about your concert or<BR>> > music<BR>> > > > > engagements.<BR>> > > > > > I find them fascinating. Music is not at all unlike laughter<BR>> is<BR>> > it;<BR>> > > > > both speak a universal language.<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > Yes; BB are the last posts I have seen. There was not much of<BR>> > anything<BR>> > > > > before your BB posts for several weeks. You mentioned a book in<BR>> > relation<BR>> > > > > to this; please tell more.<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > Phil<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > --------------------------------------------<BR>> > > > > > On Sat, 10/19/13, DF Cramer <alto_trombone@hotmail.com> wrote:<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > Subject: [PRCo] still having issues<BR>> > > > > > To: "pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org" <<BR>> > > > > pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR>> > > > > > Date: Saturday, October 19, 2013, 3:52 AM<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > it seemed very interesting that after<BR>> > > > > > I posted on the list, several emails came through. I assume<BR>> people<BR>> > > > were<BR>> > > > > responding with reply all. I have received no posts from the<BR>> list<BR>> > other<BR>> > > > > than those dealing with Billy Baxter.<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > Dennis F. Cramer<BR>> > > > > > http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > _______________________________________________<BR>> > > > > > Pittsburgh-railways mailing list<BR>> > > > > > Pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> https://mailman.dementix.org/mailman/listinfo/pittsburgh-railways<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > -------------- next part --------------<BR>> > > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> > > > > URL:<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> ><BR>> http://mailman.dementix.org/pipermail/pittsburgh-railways/attachments/20131020/9fb2601a/attachment.html<BR>> > > > > _______________________________________________<BR>> > > > > Pittsburgh-railways mailing list<BR>> > > > > Pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>> > > > ><BR>> https://mailman.dementix.org/mailman/listinfo/pittsburgh-railways<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > --<BR>> > > > Herb Brannon<BR>> > 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