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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Fred</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Middlesex? Known to most folks as
Carlisle, if you are referring to exit near HBG which was original east end of
TPK.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=fwschneider@comcast.net href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">Fred
Schneider</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">Western PA Trolley
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:39
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and
Coal</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>And being old is remembering when the Pennsylvania Turnpike had
sodium vapor lamps at the interchanges between Irwin and
Middlesex. No, I cannot remember when they changed them … sometime
in the 1950s. <BR><BR><BR><BR>On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:13 AM, Bob
Rathke wrote:<BR><BR>> Here in northern Illinois, the directional glow in
the sky is color coded. The city of Chicago has sodium vapor street
lights, so if the night sky is orange, you know you're headed to
Chicago. The suburbs use mercury vapor street lights, so if the sky is
blue-white you're headed to a suburb. <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>> <BR>> From: "Fred Schneider" <<A
href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">fwschneider@comcast.net</A>> <BR>>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>>
<BR>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 7:00:14 PM <BR>> Subject: Re:
[PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal <BR>> <BR>> It isn't just Pittsburgh,
Bob. I remember trying to find my way home after a Tractioneers
meeting in unfamiliar territory in suburban Washington DC. I got
to thinking, "I'm inside the Beltway … if I just keep the brightest part of
the horizon behind me, I'll find the Beltway." Voila.
It worked. That was 40 years ago. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> On Oct 21, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Bob Rathke wrote: <BR>> <BR>>>
Driving south from Zelienople at night in the 1950's you didn't need a compass
to locate Pittsburgh - the sky there always had an orange glow. <BR>>>
<BR>>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>> <BR>>> From:
"John Swindler" <<A
href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com">j_swindler@hotmail.com</A>>
<BR>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>>
<BR>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:09 AM <BR>>> Subject:
Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal <BR>>> <BR>>>
<BR>>> <BR>>> Was chatting with some PTM visitors
yesterday, and among the "Pittsburg smells" mentioned was J&L sulfur smell
upon exiting Squirrel Hill Tunnels and heading downgrade to Brady St.
exit. They were old enough to remember air pollution from late
1940s - (before my time). <BR>>> <BR>>>
<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>>> From: <A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</A>
<BR>>>> To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>
<BR>>>> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:04:35 -0400 <BR>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal <BR>>>> <BR>>>>
<BR>>>> Herb <BR>>>> <BR>>>> In Beaver burning next
to the curb was OK on concrete streets (we lived on one) or brick ones (still
several left in the 50s) but not on asphalt nor tarred ones! <BR>>>>
<BR>>>> Tar? When I was in first or second grade I came home
from school for lunch. On the way back to school the alley that I used
as a shortcut was being freshly tarred. I followed the tar dispensing
truck, fascinated. When I got to school I was sent home
immediately. I looked like the proverbial tarbaby. Lots of
turpentine and stiff scrubbing later, and a new suit of clothes, I returned
and was admitted. <BR>>>> <BR>>>> And we still had plenty of
coal furnaces in our town back then, although our house used gas. I well
recall the smell of the coal burning on cold winter days whilst delivering the
Pittsburgh Press to my paper route customers. The last time I
encountered that smell was just a few years ago in a suburb of Budapest while
fotting the trams there. Brought back many memories! <BR>>>>
<BR>>>> Dwight <BR>>>> <BR>>>> From: Herb Brannon
<BR>>>> Sent: Monday, 21 October, 2013 10:48 <BR>>>> To:
Western PA Trolley discussion <BR>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning
Leaves <BR>>>> When I was a child, in Akron, the common
practice was to burn the leaves <BR>>>> in the street but along the
curb stones. Sometimes the piles of leaves were <BR>>>> so large that
the fires would become too large and would spread to the <BR>>>>
treelawn. Then the fire department would be called to put out the fires. It
<BR>>>> made for an exciting day or evening. Ranking right up there
with the smell <BR>>>> of burning leaves are also the smell of coal
smoke and the smell of fresh <BR>>>> tar.............three of the
"little joys of life" now gone by the wayside. <BR>>>>
<BR>>>> <BR>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Dwight
Long <<A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net>wrote">dwightlong@verizon.net>wrote</A>:
<BR>>>> <BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> Herb
<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> I can remember back in the 50s
coming back to Beaver from auto trips to <BR>>>>> the East that
involved the Pa Turnpike—we would use the Warrendale exit and
<BR>>>>> the back roads to Beaver. Coming down into the
(Beaver) valley off the <BR>>>>> hill the whole floor of the
valley would be engulfed in leaf smoke. <BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> Unhealthy, they say, but it sure did convey the
impression that Autumn was <BR>>>>> upon us! <BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> Dwight <BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> From:
Herb Brannon <BR>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 20 October, 2013 10:36
<BR>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion <BR>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Phil asked about music <BR>>>>> You mentioned
something I really miss.............the smell of burning <BR>>>>>
leaves in October. <BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 8:37 AM, DF Cramer <<A
href="mailto:alto_trombone@hotmail.com">alto_trombone@hotmail.com</A>
<BR>>>>>> wrote: <BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>
Well, what have I been up to? The beginning of the month I performed
<BR>>>>>> Copland, Brahms, & Dvorak with the Butler County
Symphony,our (my wife <BR>>>>>> plays cello) 28th season with
the ensemble. I am back at IUP and <BR>>>>> delivered
<BR>>>>>> two arrangements of French Noels from the Baroque
period to begin the <BR>>>>>> semester and last week conducted
a first reading of my "The Eternal <BR>>>>> Flame",
<BR>>>>>> a commemorative piece for double trombone choir and
narrator I wrote to <BR>>>>>> mark the 50th anniversary of the
Kennedy assassination. All of that will <BR>>>>> be
<BR>>>>>> performed on November 19 at the university. Next week
I perform with IUP <BR>>>>>> brass & organ faculty at Zion
Lutheran in Indiana for Reformation Sunday <BR>>>>>> and the
following week we are doing Charlie Chaplin's "City Lights" in
<BR>>>>>> Butler. Chaplin created the musical score for this
silent film and we <BR>>>>> will <BR>>>>>> be
showing the film as we perform. (Side note: if you want tickets let me
<BR>>>>>> know as soon as possible--I usually get 4 free ones)
<BR>>>>>> Other than that, I spent quality time with Ed at the
Alle-Kiski <BR>>>>> Historical <BR>>>>>> Society,
led a new operator training class at PTM, printed and stuffed
<BR>>>>>> ballots for PTM, and am going to the opera today to
see Aida (football <BR>>>>> fan <BR>>>>>>
alert--Franco Harris is leading the Grand March in the opera today)
<BR>>>>>> I spend lots of time practicing and cleaning up
leaves. I mulch some and <BR>>>>>> burn others---yes we
are still permitted to burn here. <BR>>>>>> If you missed it--I
also performed at the PTM 50th Anniversary luncheon. <BR>>>>>>
See the most recent issue of PTM Trolley Fare, Fred Schneider took some
<BR>>>>>> great images. <BR>>>>>> Dennis F.
Cramer <BR>>>>>> <A
href="http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/">http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/</A>
<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013
05:49:49 -0700 <BR>>>>>>> From: <A
href="mailto:pcc_sr@yahoo.com">pcc_sr@yahoo.com</A>
<BR>>>>>>> To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>
<BR>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] still having issues
<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> Stereo-vision isn't
it Mr.Cramer! Soapbox opportunity; make the most <BR>>>>> of
<BR>>>>>> it! <BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> You have not recently mentioned anything about
your concert or music <BR>>>>>> engagements.
<BR>>>>>>> I find them fascinating. Music is not at
all unlike laughter is it; <BR>>>>>> both speak a universal
language. <BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> Yes; BB
are the last posts I have seen. There was not much of anything
<BR>>>>>> before your BB posts for several weeks. You
mentioned a book in relation <BR>>>>>> to this; please tell
more. <BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> Phil <BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
<BR>>>>>>> On Sat, 10/19/13, DF Cramer <<A
href="mailto:alto_trombone@hotmail.com">alto_trombone@hotmail.com</A>>
wrote: <BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>
Subject: [PRCo] still having issues <BR>>>>>>> To: "<A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>"
< <BR>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>>
<BR>>>>>>> Date: Saturday, October 19, 2013, 3:52 AM
<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> it seemed very
interesting that after <BR>>>>>>> I posted on the
list, several emails came through. I assume people <BR>>>>> were
<BR>>>>>> responding with reply all. I have received no
posts from the list other <BR>>>>>> than those dealing with
Billy Baxter. <BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>
Dennis F. Cramer <BR>>>>>>> <A
href="http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/">http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/</A>
<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>
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