<html><body><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><DIV aria-label="Compose body">I think they turned on the wye. I don't remember them going to the station.<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Did they go into Brownsville Union Station at all or just turn on the wye?<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Dwight<BR> ----- Original Message ----- <BR> From: Bob Rathke <BR> To: Western PA Trolley discussion <BR> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:38 PM<BR> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>
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<DIV><BR></DIV> There were six steam fantrips on the P&LE between Pittsburgh and Brownsville Jct. in 1975 and 1976, all sponsored by the Allegheny RR, a project of Steam Tours in Akron: <BR> On the weekend of Sept. 20-21, 1975, ex-GTW 2-8-2 4070 pulled the train. Attached are a couple of the photos I took that weekend: <BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV> - Leaving the P&LE station on 9/20/75, with PAT 1704 on the Smithfield St. Bridge. <BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV> - Crossing the Monongahela River between the USS Homestead Works and Rankin on 9/21/75. <BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV> On the weekends of May 15-16 and 22-23, 1976, ex-Reading 4-8-4 2102 pulled the train. <BR>
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<DIV><BR></DIV> Bob & Dwight, <BR> Interesting in that photo of the Clairton Works is the steam locomotive. <BR> That was a railfan trip run by perhaps Midwest Railway Historical Society. <BR> That may not be who ran the trip but I was on that train. I remember it was <BR> a moderately long trip down the Mon Valley. Maybe one of you remember <BR> exactly who ran the trip. <BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong@verizon.net> wrote: <BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV> > <BR> > Bob <BR> > <BR> > The Corporation would probably claim that the steam loco was generating <BR> > more pollution than their coke works. <BR> > <BR> > Dwight <BR> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR> > From: Bob Rathke <BR> > To: Western PA Trolley discussion <BR> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:00 AM <BR> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > I'm not sure if this is still the situation, but attached is a photo of <BR> > the Clairton Coke Works that I took in 1975. <BR> > <BR> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR> > <BR> > From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong@verizon.net> <BR> > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" < <BR> > pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org> <BR> > Cc: "Dennis Lamont" <ge13031@yahoo.com> <BR> > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 9:53:05 PM <BR> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > Herb <BR> > <BR> > But Irvin works is not a primary producer but rather a rolling mill (as <BR> > you said) and so would not generate the "fire and brimstone" that <BR> > characterized a primary steel producer. <BR> > <BR> > I went by Clairton on a train in July and did not notice any smoke at <BR> > all, just some condensed water vapor. I think the coking processes are so <BR> > contained these days that very little emissions emanate from it. Besides <BR> > environmental concerns, the steelmakers have learned that the effluents <BR> > from the coke making process are valuable by products that need to be <BR> > trapped and sold. The days of the beehive coke ovens that spewed all the <BR> > byproducts into the atmosphere are long gone. <BR> > <BR> > Dwight <BR> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR> > From: Herb Brannon <BR> > To: Western PA Trolley discussion <BR> > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:41 PM <BR> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > Bob R, <BR> > It still had that "orange glow" when I first moved here in 1972. Plus, <BR> > when <BR> > atmospheric conditions were right, it smelled like fire & brimstone, <BR> > everywhere. Even today, on humid days, I still smell the "fire & <BR> > brimstone" coming from the Irvin Works just over the hill (on Camp Hollow <BR> > Rd) to the south-east of my place. <BR> > <BR> > Contrary to popular opinion steel is not dead in Pittsburgh. The Clairton <BR> > Works still produces coke as it always did, the Edgar Thompson Works <BR> > makes <BR> > primary steel, the Irvin Works produces rolled steel and the relatively <BR> > new <BR> > Mckeesport Tubular Works (old National Works, now reopened) makes tubular <BR> > products for the Marcellus Shale drilling industry. So the sulphur and <BR> > fire <BR> > & brimstone can still be smelled on humid days and the orange glow is <BR> > still <BR> > available in Braddock and Clairton. <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Bob Rathke <bobrathke@comcast.net> <BR> > wrote: <BR> > <BR> > > Driving south from Zelienople at night in the 1950's you didn't need a <BR> > > compass to locate Pittsburgh - the sky there always had an orange glow. <BR> > > <BR> > > ----- Original Message ----- <BR> > > <BR> > > From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler@hotmail.com> <BR> > > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" < <BR> > > pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org> <BR> > > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:09 AM <BR> > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal <BR> > > <BR> > > <BR> > > <BR> > > Was chatting with some PTM visitors yesterday, and among the "Pittsburg <BR> > > smells" mentioned was J&L sulfur smell upon exiting Squirrel Hill <BR> > Tunnels <BR> > > and heading downgrade to Brady St. exit. They were old enough to <BR> > remember <BR> > > air pollution from late 1940s - (before my time). <BR> > > <BR> > > <BR> > > <BR> > > <BR> > > > From: dwightlong@verizon.net <BR> > > > To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org <BR> > > > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:04:35 -0400 <BR> > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal <BR> > > > <BR> > > > <BR> > > > Herb <BR> > > > <BR> > > > In Beaver burning next to the curb was OK on concrete streets (we <BR> > lived <BR> > > on one) or brick ones (still several left in the 50s) but not on <BR> > asphalt <BR> > > nor tarred ones! <BR> > > > <BR> > > > Tar? When I was in first or second grade I came home from school for <BR> > > lunch. On the way back to school the alley that I used as a shortcut <BR> > was <BR> > > being freshly tarred. I followed the tar dispensing truck, fascinated. <BR> > > When I got to school I was sent home immediately. I looked like the <BR> > > proverbial tarbaby. Lots of turpentine and stiff scrubbing later, and a <BR> > > new suit of clothes, I returned and was admitted. <BR> > > > <BR> > > > And we still had plenty of coal furnaces in our town back then, <BR> > although <BR> > > our house used gas. I well recall the smell of the coal burning on cold <BR> > > winter days whilst delivering the Pittsburgh Press to my paper route <BR> > > customers. The last time I encountered that smell was just a few years <BR> > ago <BR> > > in a suburb of Budapest while fotting the trams there. Brought back <BR> > many <BR> > > memories! <BR> > > > <BR> > > > Dwight <BR> > > > <BR> > > > From: Herb Brannon <BR> > > > Sent: Monday, 21 October, 2013 10:48 <BR> > > > To: Western PA Trolley discussion <BR> > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves <BR> > > > When I was a child, in Akron, the common practice was to burn the <BR> > leaves <BR> > > > in the street but along the curb stones. Sometimes the piles of <BR> > leaves <BR> > > were <BR> > > > so large that the fires would become too large and would spread to <BR> > the <BR> > > > treelawn. Then the fire department would be called to put out the <BR> > fires. <BR> > > It <BR> > > > made for an exciting day or evening. Ranking right up there with the <BR> > > smell <BR> > > > of burning leaves are also the smell of coal smoke and the smell of <BR> > fresh <BR> > > > tar.............three of the "little joys of life" now gone by the <BR> > > wayside. <BR> > > > <BR> > > > <BR> > > > On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Dwight Long < <BR> > dwightlong@verizon.net <BR> > > >wrote: <BR> > > > <BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > Herb <BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > I can remember back in the 50s coming back to Beaver from auto <BR> > trips to <BR> > > > > the East that involved the Pa Turnpike—we would use the Warrendale <BR> > > exit and <BR> > > > > the back roads to Beaver. Coming down into the (Beaver) valley off <BR> > the <BR> > > > > hill the whole floor of the valley would be engulfed in leaf smoke. <BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > Unhealthy, they say, but it sure did convey the impression that <BR> > Autumn <BR> > > was <BR> > > > > upon us! <BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > Dwight <BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > From: Herb Brannon <BR> > > > > Sent: Sunday, 20 October, 2013 10:36 <BR> > > > > To: Western PA Trolley discussion <BR> > > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Phil asked about music <BR> > > > > You mentioned something I really miss.............the smell of <BR> > burning <BR> > > > > leaves in October. <BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 8:37 AM, DF Cramer < <BR> > alto_trombone@hotmail.com <BR> > > > > >wrote: <BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > > <BR> > > > > > <BR> > > > > > <BR> > > > > > Well, what have I been up to? The beginning of the month I <BR> > performed <BR> > > > > > Copland, Brahms, & Dvorak with the Butler County Symphony,our (my <BR> > > wife <BR> > > > > > plays cello) 28th season with the ensemble. I am back at IUP and <BR> > > > > delivered <BR> > > > > > two arrangements of French Noels from the Baroque period to <BR> > begin the <BR> > > > > > semester and last week conducted a first reading of my "The <BR> > Eternal <BR> > > > > Flame", <BR> > > > > > a commemorative piece for double trombone choir and narrator I <BR> > wrote <BR> > > to <BR> > > > > > mark the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination. All of <BR> > that <BR> > > will <BR> > > > > be <BR> > > > > > performed on November 19 at the university. Next week I perform <BR> > with <BR> > > IUP <BR> > > > > > brass & organ faculty at Zion Lutheran in Indiana for Reformation <BR> > > Sunday <BR> > > > > > and the following week we are doing Charlie Chaplin's "City <BR> > Lights" <BR> > > in <BR> > > > > > Butler. Chaplin created the musical score for this silent film <BR> > and we <BR> > > > > will <BR> > > > > > be showing the film as we perform. (Side note: if you want <BR> > tickets <BR> > > let me <BR> > > > > > know as soon as possible--I usually get 4 free ones) <BR> > > > > > Other than that, I spent quality time with Ed at the Alle-Kiski <BR> > > > > Historical <BR> > > > > > Society, led a new operator training class at PTM, printed and <BR> > > stuffed <BR> > > > > > ballots for PTM, and am going to the opera today to see Aida <BR> > > (football <BR> > > > > fan <BR> > > > > > alert--Franco Harris is leading the Grand March in the opera <BR> > today) <BR> > > > > > I spend lots of time practicing and cleaning up leaves. I mulch <BR> > > some and <BR> > > > > > burn others---yes we are still permitted to burn here. <BR> > > > > > If you missed it--I also performed at the PTM 50th Anniversary <BR> > > luncheon. <BR> > > > > > See the most recent issue of PTM Trolley Fare, Fred Schneider <BR> > took <BR> > > some <BR> > > > > > great images. <BR> > > > > > Dennis F. Cramer <BR> > > > > > http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/ <BR> > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:49:49 -0700 <BR> > > > > > > From: pcc_sr@yahoo.com <BR> > > > > > > To: pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org <BR> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] still having issues <BR> > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > Stereo-vision isn't it Mr.Cramer! Soapbox opportunity; make the <BR> > > most <BR> > > > > of <BR> > > > > > it! <BR> > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > You have not recently mentioned anything about your concert or <BR> > > music <BR> > > > > > engagements. <BR> > > > > > > I find them fascinating. Music is not at all unlike laughter is <BR> > > it; <BR> > > > > > both speak a universal language. <BR> > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > Yes; BB are the last posts I have seen. There was not much of <BR> > > anything <BR> > > > > > before your BB posts for several weeks. You mentioned a book in <BR> > > relation <BR> > > > > > to this; please tell more. <BR> > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > Phil <BR> > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- <BR> > > > > > > On Sat, 10/19/13, DF Cramer <alto_trombone@hotmail.com> wrote: <BR> > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > Subject: [PRCo] still having issues <BR> > > > > > > To: "pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org" < <BR> > > > > > pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org> <BR> > > > > > > Date: Saturday, October 19, 2013, 3:52 AM <BR> > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > it seemed very interesting that after <BR> > > > > > > I posted on the list, several emails came through. 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