<div dir="ltr">it's a computer center<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Bob Rathke <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net" target="_blank">bobrathke@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">In the 1970's, USS's Muriel St. facility was the Direct Mail Center - computer operations, literature storage and fulfillment. If it's still there, I'm not sure about its current function.<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
<br>
From: "Herb Brannon" <<a href="mailto:hrbran@cavtel.net">hrbran@cavtel.net</a>><br>
<div class="im">To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
</div>Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:14 PM<br>
<div><div class="h5">Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<br>
<br>
It seems that back in the "big steel" days the main producers of smoke and<br>
fire were the USS Homestead Works and just about everything J & L had<br>
operating.<br>
<br>
USS also has some type of operation on Muriel Street in Southside. I'm not<br>
sure what they do there, however. USS also has a research center in<br>
Homestead still operating. Even with all these operating facilities, the<br>
number of people employed by USS comes nowhere near what those facilities<br>
used to employ.<br>
<br>
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On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Dwight Long <<a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</a>>wrote:<br>
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><br>
> Herb<br>
><br>
> But Irvin works is not a primary producer but rather a rolling mill (as<br>
> you said) and so would not generate the "fire and brimstone" that<br>
> characterized a primary steel producer.<br>
><br>
> I went by Clairton on a train in July and did not notice any smoke at all,<br>
> just some condensed water vapor. I think the coking processes are so<br>
> contained these days that very little emissions emanate from it. Besides<br>
> environmental concerns, the steelmakers have learned that the effluents<br>
> from the coke making process are valuable by products that need to be<br>
> trapped and sold. The days of the beehive coke ovens that spewed all the<br>
> byproducts into the atmosphere are long gone.<br>
><br>
> Dwight<br>
> ----- Original Message -----<br>
> From: Herb Brannon<br>
> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:41 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<br>
><br>
><br>
> Bob R,<br>
> It still had that "orange glow" when I first moved here in 1972. Plus,<br>
> when<br>
> atmospheric conditions were right, it smelled like fire & brimstone,<br>
> everywhere. Even today, on humid days, I still smell the "fire &<br>
> brimstone" coming from the Irvin Works just over the hill (on Camp Hollow<br>
> Rd) to the south-east of my place.<br>
><br>
> Contrary to popular opinion steel is not dead in Pittsburgh. The Clairton<br>
> Works still produces coke as it always did, the Edgar Thompson Works<br>
> makes<br>
> primary steel, the Irvin Works produces rolled steel and the relatively<br>
> new<br>
> Mckeesport Tubular Works (old National Works, now reopened) makes tubular<br>
> products for the Marcellus Shale drilling industry. So the sulphur and<br>
> fire<br>
> & brimstone can still be smelled on humid days and the orange glow is<br>
> still<br>
> available in Braddock and Clairton.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Bob Rathke <<a href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Driving south from Zelienople at night in the 1950's you didn't need a<br>
> > compass to locate Pittsburgh - the sky there always had an orange glow.<br>
> ><br>
> > ----- Original Message -----<br>
> ><br>
> > From: "John Swindler" <<a href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com">j_swindler@hotmail.com</a>><br>
> > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<br>
> > <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
> > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:09 AM<br>
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Was chatting with some PTM visitors yesterday, and among the "Pittsburg<br>
> > smells" mentioned was J&L sulfur smell upon exiting Squirrel Hill<br>
> Tunnels<br>
> > and heading downgrade to Brady St. exit. They were old enough to<br>
> remember<br>
> > air pollution from late 1940s - (before my time).<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > > From: <a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</a><br>
> > > To: <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a><br>
> > > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:04:35 -0400<br>
> > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Herb<br>
> > ><br>
> > > In Beaver burning next to the curb was OK on concrete streets (we<br>
> lived<br>
> > on one) or brick ones (still several left in the 50s) but not on<br>
> asphalt<br>
> > nor tarred ones!<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Tar? When I was in first or second grade I came home from school for<br>
> > lunch. On the way back to school the alley that I used as a shortcut<br>
> was<br>
> > being freshly tarred. I followed the tar dispensing truck, fascinated.<br>
> > When I got to school I was sent home immediately. I looked like the<br>
> > proverbial tarbaby. Lots of turpentine and stiff scrubbing later, and<br>
> a<br>
> > new suit of clothes, I returned and was admitted.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > And we still had plenty of coal furnaces in our town back then,<br>
> although<br>
> > our house used gas. I well recall the smell of the coal burning on<br>
> cold<br>
> > winter days whilst delivering the Pittsburgh Press to my paper route<br>
> > customers. The last time I encountered that smell was just a few<br>
> years ago<br>
> > in a suburb of Budapest while fotting the trams there. Brought back<br>
> many<br>
> > memories!<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Dwight<br>
> > ><br>
> > > From: Herb Brannon<br>
> > > Sent: Monday, 21 October, 2013 10:48<br>
> > > To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>
> > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves<br>
> > > When I was a child, in Akron, the common practice was to burn the<br>
> leaves<br>
> > > in the street but along the curb stones. Sometimes the piles of<br>
> leaves<br>
> > were<br>
> > > so large that the fires would become too large and would spread to<br>
> the<br>
> > > treelawn. Then the fire department would be called to put out the<br>
> fires.<br>
> > It<br>
> > > made for an exciting day or evening. Ranking right up there with the<br>
> > smell<br>
> > > of burning leaves are also the smell of coal smoke and the smell of<br>
> fresh<br>
> > > tar.............three of the "little joys of life" now gone by the<br>
> > wayside.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Dwight Long <<br>
> <a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</a><br>
> > >wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Herb<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > I can remember back in the 50s coming back to Beaver from auto<br>
> trips to<br>
> > > > the East that involved the Pa Turnpike—we would use the Warrendale<br>
> > exit and<br>
> > > > the back roads to Beaver. Coming down into the (Beaver) valley<br>
> off the<br>
> > > > hill the whole floor of the valley would be engulfed in leaf smoke.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Unhealthy, they say, but it sure did convey the impression that<br>
> Autumn<br>
> > was<br>
> > > > upon us!<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Dwight<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > From: Herb Brannon<br>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 20 October, 2013 10:36<br>
> > > > To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>
> > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Phil asked about music<br>
> > > > You mentioned something I really miss.............the smell of<br>
> burning<br>
> > > > leaves in October.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 8:37 AM, DF Cramer <<br>
> <a href="mailto:alto_trombone@hotmail.com">alto_trombone@hotmail.com</a><br>
> > > > >wrote:<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > Well, what have I been up to? The beginning of the month I<br>
> performed<br>
> > > > > Copland, Brahms, & Dvorak with the Butler County Symphony,our (my<br>
> > wife<br>
> > > > > plays cello) 28th season with the ensemble. I am back at IUP and<br>
> > > > delivered<br>
> > > > > two arrangements of French Noels from the Baroque period to<br>
> begin the<br>
> > > > > semester and last week conducted a first reading of my "The<br>
> Eternal<br>
> > > > Flame",<br>
> > > > > a commemorative piece for double trombone choir and narrator I<br>
> wrote<br>
> > to<br>
> > > > > mark the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination. All of<br>
> that<br>
> > will<br>
> > > > be<br>
> > > > > performed on November 19 at the university. Next week I perform<br>
> with<br>
> > IUP<br>
> > > > > brass & organ faculty at Zion Lutheran in Indiana for Reformation<br>
> > Sunday<br>
> > > > > and the following week we are doing Charlie Chaplin's "City<br>
> Lights"<br>
> > in<br>
> > > > > Butler. Chaplin created the musical score for this silent film<br>
> and we<br>
> > > > will<br>
> > > > > be showing the film as we perform. (Side note: if you want<br>
> tickets<br>
> > let me<br>
> > > > > know as soon as possible--I usually get 4 free ones)<br>
> > > > > Other than that, I spent quality time with Ed at the Alle-Kiski<br>
> > > > Historical<br>
> > > > > Society, led a new operator training class at PTM, printed and<br>
> > stuffed<br>
> > > > > ballots for PTM, and am going to the opera today to see Aida<br>
> > (football<br>
> > > > fan<br>
> > > > > alert--Franco Harris is leading the Grand March in the opera<br>
> today)<br>
> > > > > I spend lots of time practicing and cleaning up leaves. I mulch<br>
> > some and<br>
> > > > > burn others---yes we are still permitted to burn here.<br>
> > > > > If you missed it--I also performed at the PTM 50th Anniversary<br>
> > luncheon.<br>
> > > > > See the most recent issue of PTM Trolley Fare, Fred Schneider<br>
> took<br>
> > some<br>
> > > > > great images.<br>
> > > > > Dennis F. Cramer<br>
> > > > > <a href="http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/" target="_blank">http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/</a><br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > > Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:49:49 -0700<br>
> > > > > > From: <a href="mailto:pcc_sr@yahoo.com">pcc_sr@yahoo.com</a><br>
> > > > > > To: <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a><br>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] still having issues<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > Stereo-vision isn't it Mr.Cramer! Soapbox opportunity; make<br>
> the<br>
> > most<br>
> > > > of<br>
> > > > > it!<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > You have not recently mentioned anything about your concert or<br>
> > music<br>
> > > > > engagements.<br>
> > > > > > I find them fascinating. Music is not at all unlike laughter<br>
> is<br>
> > it;<br>
> > > > > both speak a universal language.<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > Yes; BB are the last posts I have seen. There was not much of<br>
> > anything<br>
> > > > > before your BB posts for several weeks. You mentioned a book in<br>
> > relation<br>
> > > > > to this; please tell more.<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > Phil<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > --------------------------------------------<br>
> > > > > > On Sat, 10/19/13, DF Cramer <<a href="mailto:alto_trombone@hotmail.com">alto_trombone@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > Subject: [PRCo] still having issues<br>
> > > > > > To: "<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>" <<br>
> > > > > <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
> > > > > > Date: Saturday, October 19, 2013, 3:52 AM<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > it seemed very interesting that after<br>
> > > > > > I posted on the list, several emails came through. I assume<br>
> people<br>
> > > > were<br>
> > > > > responding with reply all. I have received no posts from the<br>
> list<br>
> > other<br>
> > > > > than those dealing with Billy Baxter.<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > Dennis F. Cramer<br>
> > > > > > <a href="http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/" target="_blank">http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/</a><br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > ><br>
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