<div dir="ltr">Don't let Adam Gimble hear you say that. Oh yes, I forgot.............all you Lancaster people only shop at Barneys and Saks.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Fred Schneider <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net" target="_blank">fwschneider@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Ah yes, Gimbels … the cheap department store. But like so many others driven out of business by K-Mart, WalMart, Target and so forth, it no longer exists.<br>
<br>
My first introduction to any form of electronic mail was a captive in-house system that the state operated for its own departmental operations. Today it's own system has been scrapped and it is using the internet. But it was a fantastic system that allowed us to get stuff out of Harrisburg the same day they got it … of course transmission was excruciatingly slow.<br>
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The earliest memory I have of any such system, however rudimentary, was the state Job Bank which would have been in the very early 1970s. All job orders, referral and placement transactions were scanned with a slow speed rotary drum scanner about the same number of lines as an old television screen and then sent over telephone lines to Harrisburg to be be processed into the main frame computer.<br>
<br>
Hard to believe that, in the space of forty years, we have gone from that to being able to send letters and photographs and drawings back and forth to buddies anywhere in the world in real time. We can all remember when a letter to Europe took a week to be delivered and now, if we are both awake and near our computers at the same time, I can pass a half dozen e-mails back and forth to the same person in Vienna or Berlin or rural eastern England …. as we watch the postal service go bankrupt.<br>
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On Oct 26, 2013, at 8:13 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:<br>
<br>
> John,<br>
> There was a "kinda" Internet back in the early/mid 1980s. It was nothing<br>
> like we're using today, however.<br>
><br>
> I had just bought a brand new Commodore 64 complete system at Gimbles in<br>
> downtown Pittsburgh. Interesting that both Gimbles and the Commodore 64<br>
> have gone to the museum of memories. My C64 was very "cutting edge" for<br>
> 1983/84 inasmuch as I had the keyboard, monitor ( nothing more than a<br>
> television set with only green and black color), dataset (for programs and<br>
> storage on cassette tape), two (mind you, two !) floppy disk drives (so I<br>
> didn't have to switch between program and data-storage disks on only one<br>
> disk drive), and a dot-matrix printer with these little DIP switches in the<br>
> back which could be set to produce ten different print styles, and a little<br>
> rectangle shaped box which plugged into the back of the keyboard and was<br>
> called a "modem". For what I paid for all that stuff I could have used that<br>
> same dollar amount today and purchased three or four complete computer<br>
> set-ups.<br>
><br>
> Anyway, I wanted to use this investment to its fullest so I signed up for<br>
> this service which was advertised as "connecting computers and their users"<br>
> for the purpose of transmitting "mail-like electronic messages" and<br>
> providing "interest groups" on varying subject matter. It was, for all<br>
> purposes, the beginning of the Internet. The "Mail-like electronic message"<br>
> service was called MCI Mail. You could send messages to other users who<br>
> were on this system and you could also sent messages to people not on the<br>
> service via this MCI Mail in selected US cities. For people not hooked into<br>
> the "network" via computer, the messages went to a MCI facility (located in<br>
> several major cities, Pittsburgh included) and were then delivered by a<br>
> messenger to any address in downtown Pittsburgh or the downtown area of the<br>
> other cities in the network. The drawbacks were many, including the<br>
> messenger service, the fact that only the downtown areas of several major<br>
> cities could be accessed via this service, and the cost. This service last<br>
> only a few months as more and more people and businesses began using<br>
> computers and became connected.<br>
><br>
> There were no photographs on this system, only plain text. However, it was<br>
> the start of what we have today and I'm happy that I was a part of it.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:00 PM, John Swindler <<a href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com">j_swindler@hotmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> In 1968/9 Point Park College had a relatively new IBM System 360 computer.<br>
>> It was a stand alone unit about 5-6 feet high. An instructor said that<br>
>> the CPU took up less than a foot of this height - the rest was empty space.<br>
>> This was to fool purchasing agents who expected computers to be big and<br>
>> bulky. Miniaturization was already occurring.<br>
>><br>
>> Doubt if you were thinking of using the internet in early 1980s, Fred.<br>
>> Mid-1990s, perhaps, but not 1980s.<br>
>><br>
>> A problem in the 1980s was the proliferation of computer manufacturers and<br>
>> non-compatible software. Also speed even when there was a program that<br>
>> could convert from one language to another. We're talking 8086 and 286<br>
>> chips. Today it seems that instantaneous just doesn't seem fast enough. I<br>
>> remember a LOTUS 1-2-3 spreadsheet. Enter a bunch of data, tell it to<br>
>> compute, then go for a cup of coffee. It was used to produce the<br>
>> Pennsylvania Mass Transit Statistical Report.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 02:04:10 +0000<br>
>>> From: <a href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</a><br>
>>> To: <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<br>
>>><br>
>>> Most of us from the 1970's have these computer stories, Fred. I used my<br>
>> first word processor in 1979 - a Digital computer the size of a small<br>
>> refrigerator with a 9" monochrome screen, plus a noisy daisy-wheel impact<br>
>> printer. Hardly desktop, and no hard drive - the word processing program<br>
>> ran from an 8" floppy, and documents were stored on another 8" floppy.<br>
>> Those floppies had the massive capacity of 840KB each. That Digital<br>
>> computer cost $12,000, but it wasn't linked to anything, so in 1980 the<br>
>> company bought a modem to connect to another computer. That modem cost $750.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Bob.<br>
>>><br>
>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>><br>
>>> From: "Fred Schneider" <<a href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">fwschneider@comcast.net</a>><br>
>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 7:48:16 PM<br>
>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<br>
>>><br>
>>> Bob,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I can recall when the state had a mammoth computer room in the L&I<br>
>> Building in Harrisburg to handle all Employment Service data reporting and<br>
>> all the Unemployment Claims …. huge place on a raised floor to accommodate<br>
>> both the cabling and the air-conditing ducts to keep the main frame<br>
>> computers cool.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Today I know what is sitting on my desk … each of them …. has far more<br>
>> power than what put the man on the moon back in the 1960s. Probably the<br>
>> computers in most of our cars have more ooomph than that computer that put<br>
>> Armstrong on the moon.<br>
>>><br>
>>> In the early 1980s, I was the head of an occupational information<br>
>> program in Pennsylvania to provide data to schools and anyone else who<br>
>> might need it … mostly for counseling kids. The federal government wanted<br>
>> it all done on main frame computers. In Pennsylvania, we were thinking<br>
>> about doing it on desk top computers and passing out the information on<br>
>> floppy disks or linking them by this new internet to desk tops in<br>
>> Harrisburg. Washington told me that if we tried to do it that way, we<br>
>> would not be given any grant money. Obviously someone who was making main<br>
>> frame computers had lobbied heavily to have things done his way. Funny<br>
>> thing about that … two years later, my successor told me that I had been<br>
>> right and we're doing it your way.<br>
>>><br>
>>> It's not your grandmother's Buick….<br>
>>><br>
>>> Fred<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> In 1965 I wrote and produced a slide presentation for training U.S.<br>
>> Steel's customer service people in their offices around the U.S. I made<br>
>> several visits to the Muriel St. facility to get background information on<br>
>> U.S. Steel's computer capabilities. I remember being impressed with the<br>
>> building's climate controlled environment and the raised floors to<br>
>> accomodate under-floor computer cables.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Today, an i-pad is probably more powerful that the computer system in<br>
>> that building in 1965.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Bob<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> From: "Derrick Brashear" <<a href="mailto:shadow@dementix.org">shadow@dementix.org</a>><br>
>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:05:40 PM<br>
>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> it's a computer center<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Bob Rathke <<a href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> In the 1970's, USS's Muriel St. facility was the Direct Mail Center -<br>
>>>>> computer operations, literature storage and fulfillment. If it's<br>
>> still<br>
>>>>> there, I'm not sure about its current function.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> From: "Herb Brannon" <<a href="mailto:hrbran@cavtel.net">hrbran@cavtel.net</a>><br>
>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<br>
>>>>> <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:14 PM<br>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> It seems that back in the "big steel" days the main producers of<br>
>> smoke and<br>
>>>>> fire were the USS Homestead Works and just about everything J & L had<br>
>>>>> operating.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> USS also has some type of operation on Muriel Street in Southside.<br>
>> I'm not<br>
>>>>> sure what they do there, however. USS also has a research center in<br>
>>>>> Homestead still operating. Even with all these operating facilities,<br>
>> the<br>
>>>>> number of people employed by USS comes nowhere near what those<br>
>> facilities<br>
>>>>> used to employ.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Dwight Long <<a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</a><br>
>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Herb<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> But Irvin works is not a primary producer but rather a rolling mill<br>
>> (as<br>
>>>>>> you said) and so would not generate the "fire and brimstone" that<br>
>>>>>> characterized a primary steel producer.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I went by Clairton on a train in July and did not notice any smoke at<br>
>>>>> all,<br>
>>>>>> just some condensed water vapor. I think the coking processes are so<br>
>>>>>> contained these days that very little emissions emanate from it.<br>
>> Besides<br>
>>>>>> environmental concerns, the steelmakers have learned that the<br>
>> effluents<br>
>>>>>> from the coke making process are valuable by products that need to be<br>
>>>>>> trapped and sold. The days of the beehive coke ovens that spewed<br>
>> all the<br>
>>>>>> byproducts into the atmosphere are long gone.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Dwight<br>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon<br>
>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:41 PM<br>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Bob R,<br>
>>>>>> It still had that "orange glow" when I first moved here in 1972.<br>
>> Plus,<br>
>>>>>> when<br>
>>>>>> atmospheric conditions were right, it smelled like fire &<br>
>> brimstone,<br>
>>>>>> everywhere. Even today, on humid days, I still smell the "fire &<br>
>>>>>> brimstone" coming from the Irvin Works just over the hill (on Camp<br>
>>>>> Hollow<br>
>>>>>> Rd) to the south-east of my place.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Contrary to popular opinion steel is not dead in Pittsburgh. The<br>
>>>>> Clairton<br>
>>>>>> Works still produces coke as it always did, the Edgar Thompson<br>
>> Works<br>
>>>>>> makes<br>
>>>>>> primary steel, the Irvin Works produces rolled steel and the<br>
>> relatively<br>
>>>>>> new<br>
>>>>>> Mckeesport Tubular Works (old National Works, now reopened) makes<br>
>>>>> tubular<br>
>>>>>> products for the Marcellus Shale drilling industry. So the sulphur<br>
>> and<br>
>>>>>> fire<br>
>>>>>> & brimstone can still be smelled on humid days and the orange glow<br>
>> is<br>
>>>>>> still<br>
>>>>>> available in Braddock and Clairton.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Bob Rathke <<a href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</a><br>
>>><br>
>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Driving south from Zelienople at night in the 1950's you didn't<br>
>> need<br>
>>>>> a<br>
>>>>>>> compass to locate Pittsburgh - the sky there always had an orange<br>
>>>>> glow.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> From: "John Swindler" <<a href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com">j_swindler@hotmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<br>
>>>>>>> <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:09 AM<br>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Was chatting with some PTM visitors yesterday, and among the<br>
>>>>> "Pittsburg<br>
>>>>>>> smells" mentioned was J&L sulfur smell upon exiting Squirrel Hill<br>
>>>>>> Tunnels<br>
>>>>>>> and heading downgrade to Brady St. exit. They were old enough<br>
>> to<br>
>>>>>> remember<br>
>>>>>>> air pollution from late 1940s - (before my time).<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> From: <a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</a><br>
>>>>>>>> To: <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a><br>
>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:04:35 -0400<br>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Herb<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> In Beaver burning next to the curb was OK on concrete streets<br>
>> (we<br>
>>>>>> lived<br>
>>>>>>> on one) or brick ones (still several left in the 50s) but not on<br>
>>>>>> asphalt<br>
>>>>>>> nor tarred ones!<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Tar? When I was in first or second grade I came home from<br>
>> school<br>
>>>>> for<br>
>>>>>>> lunch. On the way back to school the alley that I used as a<br>
>> shortcut<br>
>>>>>> was<br>
>>>>>>> being freshly tarred. I followed the tar dispensing truck,<br>
>>>>> fascinated.<br>
>>>>>>> When I got to school I was sent home immediately. I looked<br>
>> like the<br>
>>>>>>> proverbial tarbaby. Lots of turpentine and stiff scrubbing<br>
>> later,<br>
>>>>> and<br>
>>>>>> a<br>
>>>>>>> new suit of clothes, I returned and was admitted.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> And we still had plenty of coal furnaces in our town back then,<br>
>>>>>> although<br>
>>>>>>> our house used gas. I well recall the smell of the coal burning<br>
>> on<br>
>>>>>> cold<br>
>>>>>>> winter days whilst delivering the Pittsburgh Press to my paper<br>
>> route<br>
>>>>>>> customers. The last time I encountered that smell was just a few<br>
>>>>>> years ago<br>
>>>>>>> in a suburb of Budapest while fotting the trams there. Brought<br>
>> back<br>
>>>>>> many<br>
>>>>>>> memories!<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Dwight<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon<br>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 21 October, 2013 10:48<br>
>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves<br>
>>>>>>>> When I was a child, in Akron, the common practice was to burn<br>
>> the<br>
>>>>>> leaves<br>
>>>>>>>> in the street but along the curb stones. Sometimes the piles of<br>
>>>>>> leaves<br>
>>>>>>> were<br>
>>>>>>>> so large that the fires would become too large and would<br>
>> spread to<br>
>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>>>> treelawn. Then the fire department would be called to put out<br>
>> the<br>
>>>>>> fires.<br>
>>>>>>> It<br>
>>>>>>>> made for an exciting day or evening. Ranking right up there<br>
>> with<br>
>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>>> smell<br>
>>>>>>>> of burning leaves are also the smell of coal smoke and the<br>
>> smell of<br>
>>>>>> fresh<br>
>>>>>>>> tar.............three of the "little joys of life" now gone by<br>
>> the<br>
>>>>>>> wayside.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Dwight Long <<br>
>>>>>> <a href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</a><br>
>>>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Herb<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> I can remember back in the 50s coming back to Beaver from<br>
>> auto<br>
>>>>>> trips to<br>
>>>>>>>>> the East that involved the Pa Turnpike—we would use the<br>
>>>>> Warrendale<br>
>>>>>>> exit and<br>
>>>>>>>>> the back roads to Beaver. Coming down into the (Beaver)<br>
>> valley<br>
>>>>>> off the<br>
>>>>>>>>> hill the whole floor of the valley would be engulfed in leaf<br>
>>>>> smoke.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Unhealthy, they say, but it sure did convey the impression<br>
>> that<br>
>>>>>> Autumn<br>
>>>>>>> was<br>
>>>>>>>>> upon us!<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Dwight<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon<br>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 20 October, 2013 10:36<br>
>>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<br>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Phil asked about music<br>
>>>>>>>>> You mentioned something I really miss.............the smell<br>
>> of<br>
>>>>>> burning<br>
>>>>>>>>> leaves in October.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 8:37 AM, DF Cramer <<br>
>>>>>> <a href="mailto:alto_trombone@hotmail.com">alto_trombone@hotmail.com</a><br>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, what have I been up to? The beginning of the month I<br>
>>>>>> performed<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Copland, Brahms, & Dvorak with the Butler County<br>
>> Symphony,our<br>
>>>>> (my<br>
>>>>>>> wife<br>
>>>>>>>>>> plays cello) 28th season with the ensemble. I am back at<br>
>> IUP<br>
>>>>> and<br>
>>>>>>>>> delivered<br>
>>>>>>>>>> two arrangements of French Noels from the Baroque period to<br>
>>>>>> begin the<br>
>>>>>>>>>> semester and last week conducted a first reading of my "The<br>
>>>>>> Eternal<br>
>>>>>>>>> Flame",<br>
>>>>>>>>>> a commemorative piece for double trombone choir and<br>
>> narrator I<br>
>>>>>> wrote<br>
>>>>>>> to<br>
>>>>>>>>>> mark the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination.<br>
>> All of<br>
>>>>>> that<br>
>>>>>>> will<br>
>>>>>>>>> be<br>
>>>>>>>>>> performed on November 19 at the university. Next week I<br>
>> perform<br>
>>>>>> with<br>
>>>>>>> IUP<br>
>>>>>>>>>> brass & organ faculty at Zion Lutheran in Indiana for<br>
>>>>> Reformation<br>
>>>>>>> Sunday<br>
>>>>>>>>>> and the following week we are doing Charlie Chaplin's "City<br>
>>>>>> Lights"<br>
>>>>>>> in<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Butler. Chaplin created the musical score for this silent<br>
>> film<br>
>>>>>> and we<br>
>>>>>>>>> will<br>
>>>>>>>>>> be showing the film as we perform. (Side note: if you want<br>
>>>>>> tickets<br>
>>>>>>> let me<br>
>>>>>>>>>> know as soon as possible--I usually get 4 free ones)<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, I spent quality time with Ed at the<br>
>> Alle-Kiski<br>
>>>>>>>>> Historical<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Society, led a new operator training class at PTM, printed<br>
>> and<br>
>>>>>>> stuffed<br>
>>>>>>>>>> ballots for PTM, and am going to the opera today to see<br>
>> Aida<br>
>>>>>>> (football<br>
>>>>>>>>> fan<br>
>>>>>>>>>> alert--Franco Harris is leading the Grand March in the<br>
>> opera<br>
>>>>>> today)<br>
>>>>>>>>>> I spend lots of time practicing and cleaning up leaves. I<br>
>>>>> mulch<br>
>>>>>>> some and<br>
>>>>>>>>>> burn others---yes we are still permitted to burn here.<br>
>>>>>>>>>> If you missed it--I also performed at the PTM 50th<br>
>> Anniversary<br>
>>>>>>> luncheon.<br>
>>>>>>>>>> See the most recent issue of PTM Trolley Fare, Fred<br>
>> Schneider<br>
>>>>>> took<br>
>>>>>>> some<br>
>>>>>>>>>> great images.<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Dennis F. Cramer<br>
>>>>>>>>>> <a href="http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/" target="_blank">http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/</a><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:49:49 -0700<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> From: <a href="mailto:pcc_sr@yahoo.com">pcc_sr@yahoo.com</a><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] still having issues<br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> Stereo-vision isn't it Mr.Cramer! Soapbox opportunity;<br>
>> make<br>
>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>>> most<br>
>>>>>>>>> of<br>
>>>>>>>>>> it!<br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> You have not recently mentioned anything about your<br>
>> concert<br>
>>>>> or<br>
>>>>>>> music<br>
>>>>>>>>>> engagements.<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> I find them fascinating. Music is not at all unlike<br>
>> laughter<br>
>>>>>> is<br>
>>>>>>> it;<br>
>>>>>>>>>> both speak a universal language.<br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes; BB are the last posts I have seen. There was not<br>
>> much<br>
>>>>> of<br>
>>>>>>> anything<br>
>>>>>>>>>> before your BB posts for several weeks. You mentioned a<br>
>> book<br>
>>>>> in<br>
>>>>>>> relation<br>
>>>>>>>>>> to this; please tell more.<br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> Phil<br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10/19/13, DF Cramer <<a href="mailto:alto_trombone@hotmail.com">alto_trombone@hotmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] still having issues<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "<a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>" <<br>
>>>>>>>>>> <a href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</a>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Saturday, October 19, 2013, 3:52 AM<br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> it seemed very interesting that after<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> I posted on the list, several emails came through. I<br>
>> assume<br>
>>>>>> people<br>
>>>>>>>>> were<br>
>>>>>>>>>> responding with reply all. I have received no posts from<br>
>> the<br>
>>>>>> list<br>
>>>>>>> other<br>
>>>>>>>>>> than those dealing with Billy Baxter.<br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis F. Cramer<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> <a href="http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/" target="_blank">http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/</a><br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
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>>>>>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*<br>
>>>>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In The U.S.*<br>
>>>>>>>>> Let's Go Pens<br>
>>>>>>>>> Let's Go Steelers<br>
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>>>>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*<br>
>>>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In The U.S.*<br>
>>>>>>>> Let's Go Pens<br>
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>>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*<br>
>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In The U.S.*<br>
>>>>>> Let's Go Pens<br>
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>>>>> --<br>
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>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*<br>
>>>>> *......the Greatest City In The U.S.*<br>
>>>>> Let's Go Pens<br>
>>>>> Let's Go Steelers<br>
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> Herb Brannon<br>
> *In Pittsburgh...*<br>
> *......the Greatest City In The U.S.*<br>
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Let's Go Steelers<br><br></div>
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