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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Fred</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Kaufman & <U>Baer.</U></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">But I don't understand the reference to
Kaufmans being at 6th and Smithfield. AFAIK it was always at Diamond and
Smithfield (and extending the whole block to Fifth).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">What am I missing here?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">I forgot Frank & Seder, another Pgh
department store.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">But the real tragedy was the loss of Joseph
Horne's.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=fwschneider@comcast.net href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">Fred
Schneider</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">Western PA Trolley
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 28, 2013 6:56
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and
Coal</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Long befo. I thought Boggs and Buhl closed about
1950 because my mother's brother told a story of how he went to their going
out of business sale to buy clothing for his kids
he had moved up to
Cheswick in the huge Nov. 1950 storm. The story concluded with the
store forgetting to send him the charge account bill and when he called to ask
where it was, all their phones were disconnected. <BR><BR>But this link
claims it closed as a result of the opening of North Hills Mall in 1955 and
the actual closure was in 1960.<BR><BR> <A
href="http://buhlplanetarium2.tripod.com/bio/boggsbuhl.htm">http://buhlplanetarium2.tripod.com/bio/boggsbuhl.htm</A><BR><BR>Rosenbaums
on Liberty Avenue dawntawn apparently also closed in
1960.<BR><BR> <A
href="http://www.lifeinwesternpa.org/viewDetail.asp?ID=56">http://www.lifeinwesternpa.org/viewDetail.asp?ID=56</A><BR><BR>Gimbel's
closed sometime in 1986 or 1987. The problem with having family
that was in Pittsburgh back to the time of the Civil War is someone always
told you of this or that connection. In this case, it was an aunt
of my mom's who worked for Kauffman and Bear, the firm that had the store at
6th and Smithfield before Gimbel's.
<BR><BR> <A
href="http://departmentstoremuseum.blogspot.com/2010/06/gimbels-pittsburgh-pennsylvania.html">http://departmentstoremuseum.blogspot.com/2010/06/gimbels-pittsburgh-pennsylvania.html</A><BR><BR>
<A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimbels">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimbels</A><BR><BR>
<A
href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/army_arch/293068499/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/army_arch/293068499/</A><BR><BR>
<BR><BR><BR>On Oct 28, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Dwight Long wrote:<BR><BR>>
<BR>> Fred<BR>> <BR>> If you are talking about da Burgh, my
recollection is that both Boggs & Buhls and Rosenbaum's went under before
Gimbels.<BR>> <BR>> But if you mean Lancaster------------<BR>>
<BR>> Dwight<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
From: Fred Schneider <BR>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
<BR>> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:16 PM<BR>> Subject:
Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
Herb, I am not insulting Adam Gimbel. I am using "cheap" in
the English language sense, not the way the American's have adulterated it to
mean "crappy" or "no good". It means economical, as in the "cheap
day return ticket" in Britain
translated means the bargain one day round
trip ticket.<BR>> <BR>> Gimbels was the cheap (bargain) store but
they were not in a position to compete with the likes of WalMart and it this
area they were the first department store to fold. If I had to
make a comparison, it would be the British Home Store
yes I have a favorite
shirt with a BHS label. That's what happens when you vacationed so many
times in Britain. <BR>> <BR>> Sadly, Gimbels was
not only the economical store but locally they had some of the worst help
too. He could not stay in business when WalMart or K-Mart had no
help and he was paying for doofuses. I remember one day I went
into the Gimbels store to buy something for my wife. A friend who
was a PennDOT attorney was with me. He had just returned from a
vacation in Japan. I could not get any of the sales girls to wait
on me. They were all having a hen party. So I lead Gareth
over until we were within hearing range of the goofing off sales clerks, and
then looked at him and said, "Is it true what you told me
that in Japan the
sales clerks actually are hired to wait on the customers?" He
played it to the hilt and those girls went balistic. How dare you
insult them by expecting them to work. They told us off at full
volume. And naturally, we went to another store in the
mall. I think I saw some other customers evacuating Adam Gimbel's
store. <BR>> <BR>> I think there were some other
problems too. Each region operated independently. My
charge card for Gimbels in Lancaster was only good in the Philadelphia region
stores. It was not valid in Pittsburgh or Chicago. It
might get immediate clearance for a temporary card there but I had to apply
there if I wanted credit. <BR>> <BR>> Of course,
doesn't matter. They are gone.<BR>> <BR>>
Saks? No such thing here. Nearest is in King of
Prussia. And I never heard of a Barneys
. New York store isn't
it? <BR>> <BR>> Lancaster County, Pa., was an
area that thrived through the 1980s and then crashed. For many
years we had lower wage rates than the national average, which means it isn't
the place people who want really high wages come but it might be where a
corporation wants to come to build a factory. All through the
1960s, 1970s, 1980s, one company after another came here to exploit the cheap
labor and the "Amish work ethic." The result was a doubling of the
population from 1950 to 2000. But when you stress the local economy and
push the unemployment rate down to half the national unemployment rate (it was
actually as low here as 1.4 percent in the summer of 1964), that puts extreme
pressure on wages. They rose. Unions become
popular. So popular that one by one the factories close and the
corporations decide we don't don't need this shit. This was a
major garment manufacturing center
all those plants closed. Roughly
10,000 shoe, garment and textile jobs vanished. Those jobs went
first to Mexico under the North American Free Trade Agreement and then to
China and southeast Asia. A lot of recreational vehicle
plants were built here in the 1980s
we decided fuel is too expensive to tow
those trailers so those plant closed. Armstrong once employed
several thousand people here making linoleum and other resilient floor
coverings
. they still do it but in right-to-work states and in new plants on
one floor. In the 1960s RCA had about 3000 people building color TV sets
here and in Wilkes-Barre; then they were introduced to
Sony. Hamilton Watch used to employ almost 2000 people
making watches
no one wants quality watches
the last remnant of the
company was sold to a Swiss firm
they're "out of here" and the building is
an apartment now. We still have manufacturing but its about half
the number of workers we had in that sector in 1970. We now
have unemployment over 6% and routine shootings and burglaries as a means of
supporting each other
it's called income transfer. We no
longer have any upper end stores. We don't have as many
upper income people today. I guess they're in Dallas
today. But at my age, no reason to move. <BR>>
<BR>> The sad thing about the crash here, Herb, was unlike
Pittsburgh, it affected a young population to begin with. When
steel went down in 1982 in Pittsburgh, it wasn't something new. They
already had 20 years of on-again, off-again problems with the mills.
Allegheny County's population was relatively stable after 1930 in the 1.4 to
1.6 million range. It actually began dropping from 1.629 million
in 1960 to 1.450 million before the big collapse of steel in 1982
the kids
were already leaving home and going where the jobs were. You
cannot have really high unemployment when people go directly from working to
pensions
they are out of the labor force.<BR>> <BR>> But
Lancaster was still growing rapidly when our crash came. We had
212,000 in 1940 and 423,000 in 1990 when things began to soften, 471,000 in
2000 and 519,000 in 2010. Part of the anomaly of a tapering
economy along with growth is that we have also found ourselves within
commuting distance of Philadelphia's suburban job market and now the same for
the northeastern suburbs of Baltimore. For a while, until the
state began to decide they didn't want workers, the northwestern part of this
county was also attractive for people working in the state capital
only 20
minutes away on the train. Trouble is, Herb, if that guy gets laid
off in Philadelphia he is still among the 6.5% unemployed in
Lancaster. And, as you can see from those numbers, we have over
50,000 homes built in the last 40 years
. not the same as someone who
built a house in Pittsburgh in 1935. When you have a couple who
built a house in 1990 and the area crashes and they still have a mortgage, you
have problems. <BR>> <BR>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:28
AM, Herb Brannon wrote:<BR>> <BR>>> Don't let Adam Gimble hear you
say that. Oh yes, I forgot.............all<BR>>> you Lancaster
people only shop at Barneys and Saks.<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> On
Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Fred Schneider <<A
href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net>wrote">fwschneider@comcast.net>wrote</A>:<BR>>>
<BR>>>> Ah yes, Gimbels
the cheap department store. But
like so many others<BR>>>> driven out of business by K-Mart, WalMart,
Target and so forth, it no<BR>>>> longer exists.<BR>>>>
<BR>>>> My first introduction to any form of electronic mail was a
captive<BR>>>> in-house system that the state operated for its own
departmental<BR>>>> operations. Today it's own system has been
scrapped and it is using the<BR>>>> internet. But it was
a fantastic system that allowed us to get stuff out<BR>>>> of
Harrisburg the same day they got it
of course transmission
was<BR>>>> excruciatingly slow.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> The
earliest memory I have of any such system, however rudimentary,
was<BR>>>> the state Job Bank which would have been in the very early
1970s. All job<BR>>>> orders, referral and placement
transactions were scanned with a slow speed<BR>>>> rotary drum
scanner about the same number of lines as an old television<BR>>>>
screen and then sent over telephone lines to Harrisburg to be be
processed<BR>>>> into the main frame computer.<BR>>>>
<BR>>>> Hard to believe that, in the space of forty years, we have
gone from that<BR>>>> to being able to send letters and photographs
and drawings back and forth<BR>>>> to buddies anywhere in the world
in real time. We can all remember when a<BR>>>> letter to
Europe took a week to be delivered and now, if we are both
awake<BR>>>> and near our computers at the same time, I can pass a
half dozen e-mails<BR>>>> back and forth to the same person in Vienna
or Berlin or rural eastern<BR>>>> England
. as we watch the postal
service go bankrupt.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>> On Oct
26, 2013, at 8:13 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:<BR>>>> <BR>>>>>
John,<BR>>>>> There was a "kinda" Internet back in the early/mid
1980s. It was nothing<BR>>>>> like we're using today,
however.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> I had just bought a brand
new Commodore 64 complete system at Gimbles in<BR>>>>> downtown
Pittsburgh. Interesting that both Gimbles and the Commodore
64<BR>>>>> have gone to the museum of memories. My C64 was very
"cutting edge" for<BR>>>>> 1983/84 inasmuch as I had the keyboard,
monitor ( nothing more than a<BR>>>>> television set with only
green and black color), dataset (for programs<BR>>>>
and<BR>>>>> storage on cassette tape), two (mind you, two !)
floppy disk drives (so I<BR>>>>> didn't have to switch between
program and data-storage disks on only one<BR>>>>> disk drive),
and a dot-matrix printer with these little DIP switches in<BR>>>>
the<BR>>>>> back which could be set to produce ten different print
styles, and a<BR>>>> little<BR>>>>> rectangle shaped box
which plugged into the back of the keyboard and was<BR>>>>> called
a "modem". For what I paid for all that stuff I could have
used<BR>>>> that<BR>>>>> same dollar amount today and
purchased three or four complete computer<BR>>>>>
set-ups.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> Anyway, I wanted to use this
investment to its fullest so I signed up for<BR>>>>> this service
which was advertised as "connecting computers and their<BR>>>>
users"<BR>>>>> for the purpose of transmitting "mail-like
electronic messages" and<BR>>>>> providing "interest groups" on
varying subject matter. It was, for all<BR>>>>> purposes, the
beginning of the Internet. The "Mail-like electronic<BR>>>>
message"<BR>>>>> service was called MCI Mail. You could send
messages to other users who<BR>>>>> were on this system and you
could also sent messages to people not on the<BR>>>>> service via
this MCI Mail in selected US cities. For people not hooked<BR>>>>
into<BR>>>>> the "network" via computer, the messages went to a
MCI facility (located<BR>>>> in<BR>>>>> several major
cities, Pittsburgh included) and were then delivered by a<BR>>>>>
messenger to any address in downtown Pittsburgh or the downtown area
of<BR>>>> the<BR>>>>> other cities in the network. The
drawbacks were many, including the<BR>>>>> messenger service, the
fact that only the downtown areas of several major<BR>>>>> cities
could be accessed via this service, and the cost. This service<BR>>>>
last<BR>>>>> only a few months as more and more people and
businesses began using<BR>>>>> computers and became
connected.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> There were no photographs
on this system, only plain text. However, it<BR>>>>
was<BR>>>>> the start of what we have today and I'm happy that I
was a part of it.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:00 PM, John Swindler <<A
href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com">j_swindler@hotmail.com</A><BR>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>> In 1968/9 Point Park College had a relatively new IBM
System 360<BR>>>> computer.<BR>>>>>> It was a stand
alone unit about 5-6 feet high. An instructor said
that<BR>>>>>> the CPU took up less than a foot of this height -
the rest was empty<BR>>>> space.<BR>>>>>> This was to
fool purchasing agents who expected computers to be big
and<BR>>>>>> bulky. Miniaturization was already
occurring.<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> Doubt if you were
thinking of using the internet in early 1980s, Fred.<BR>>>>>>
Mid-1990s, perhaps, but not 1980s.<BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>> A problem in the 1980s was the proliferation of
computer manufacturers<BR>>>> and<BR>>>>>>
non-compatible software. Also speed even when there was a program
that<BR>>>>>> could convert from one language to another.
We're talking 8086 and 286<BR>>>>>> chips. Today it seems
that instantaneous just doesn't seem fast<BR>>>> enough.
I<BR>>>>>> remember a LOTUS 1-2-3 spreadsheet. Enter a
bunch of data, tell it to<BR>>>>>> compute, then go for a cup
of coffee. It was used to produce the<BR>>>>>>
Pennsylvania Mass Transit Statistical Report.<BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 02:04:10 +0000<BR>>>>>>> From: <A
href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</A><BR>>>>>>>
To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> Most of us from the 1970's have these computer
stories, Fred. I used<BR>>>> my<BR>>>>>> first
word processor in 1979 - a Digital computer the size of a
small<BR>>>>>> refrigerator with a 9" monochrome screen, plus a
noisy daisy-wheel<BR>>>> impact<BR>>>>>>
printer. Hardly desktop, and no hard drive - the word
processing<BR>>>> program<BR>>>>>> ran from an 8"
floppy, and documents were stored on another 8"
floppy.<BR>>>>>> Those floppies had the massive capacity of
840KB each. That Digital<BR>>>>>> computer cost $12,000, but it
wasn't linked to anything, so in 1980 the<BR>>>>>> company
bought a modem to connect to another computer. That modem cost<BR>>>>
$750.<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>
Bob.<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> ----- Original
Message -----<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> From:
"Fred Schneider" <<A
href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">fwschneider@comcast.net</A>><BR>>>>>>>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<BR>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>>>>>>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 7:48:16 PM<BR>>>>>>> Subject:
Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> Bob,<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> I can recall when the state had a mammoth
computer room in the L&I<BR>>>>>> Building in Harrisburg to
handle all Employment Service data reporting<BR>>>>
and<BR>>>>>> all the Unemployment Claims
. huge place on a
raised floor to<BR>>>> accommodate<BR>>>>>> both the
cabling and the air-conditing ducts to keep the main
frame<BR>>>>>> computers cool.<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> Today I know what is sitting on my desk
each of
them
. has far more<BR>>>>>> power than what put the man on
the moon back in the 1960s. Probably<BR>>>>
the<BR>>>>>> computers in most of our cars have more ooomph
than that computer that<BR>>>> put<BR>>>>>> Armstrong
on the moon.<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> In the
early 1980s, I was the head of an occupational
information<BR>>>>>> program in Pennsylvania to provide data to
schools and anyone else who<BR>>>>>> might need it
mostly for
counseling kids. The federal government<BR>>>>
wanted<BR>>>>>> it all done on main frame
computers. In Pennsylvania, we were
thinking<BR>>>>>> about doing it on desk top computers and
passing out the information on<BR>>>>>> floppy disks or linking
them by this new internet to desk tops in<BR>>>>>>
Harrisburg. Washington told me that if we tried to do it that way,
we<BR>>>>>> would not be given any grant money.
Obviously someone who was making<BR>>>> main<BR>>>>>>
frame computers had lobbied heavily to have things done his
way.<BR>>>> Funny<BR>>>>>> thing about that
two
years later, my successor told me that I had been<BR>>>>>>
right and we're doing it your way.<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> It's not your grandmother's
Buick
.<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>
Fred<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2013,
at 7:14 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> In 1965 I wrote and produced a slide
presentation for training U.S.<BR>>>>>> Steel's customer
service people in their offices around the U.S. I
made<BR>>>>>> several visits to the Muriel St. facility to get
background information<BR>>>> on<BR>>>>>> U.S. Steel's
computer capabilities. I remember being impressed with
the<BR>>>>>> building's climate controlled environment and the
raised floors to<BR>>>>>> accomodate under-floor computer
cables.<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>
Today, an i-pad is probably more powerful that the computer system
in<BR>>>>>> that building in
1965.<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>
Bob<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>> -----
Original Message -----<BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> From: "Derrick Brashear" <<A
href="mailto:shadow@dementix.org">shadow@dementix.org</A>><BR>>>>>>>>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<BR>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>>>>>>>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:05:40 PM<BR>>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> it's a computer
center<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Bob Rathke
<<A
href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</A>><BR>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>> In
the 1970's, USS's Muriel St. facility was the Direct Mail Center
-<BR>>>>>>>>> computer operations, literature storage
and fulfillment. If it's<BR>>>>>>
still<BR>>>>>>>>> there, I'm not sure about its
current function.<BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>>
From: "Herb Brannon" <<A
href="mailto:hrbran@cavtel.net">hrbran@cavtel.net</A>><BR>>>>>>>>>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<BR>>>>>>>>>
<A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>>>>>>>>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:14 PM<BR>>>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and
Coal<BR>>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>>
It seems that back in the "big steel" days the main producers
of<BR>>>>>> smoke and<BR>>>>>>>>> fire
were the USS Homestead Works and just about everything J & L
had<BR>>>>>>>>>
operating.<BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> USS also has some type of operation on
Muriel Street in Southside.<BR>>>>>> I'm
not<BR>>>>>>>>> sure what they do there, however. USS
also has a research center in<BR>>>>>>>>> Homestead
still operating. Even with all these operating
facilities,<BR>>>>>> the<BR>>>>>>>>>
number of people employed by USS comes nowhere near what
those<BR>>>>>> facilities<BR>>>>>>>>>
used to employ.<BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>> On
Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Dwight Long <<BR>>>> <A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Herb<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> But Irvin works is not a primary
producer but rather a rolling mill<BR>>>>>>
(as<BR>>>>>>>>>> you said) and so would not
generate the "fire and brimstone" that<BR>>>>>>>>>>
characterized a primary steel
producer.<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> I went by Clairton on a train in July
and did not notice any smoke<BR>>>>
at<BR>>>>>>>>>
all,<BR>>>>>>>>>> just some condensed water
vapor. I think the coking processes are<BR>>>>
so<BR>>>>>>>>>> contained these days that very
little emissions emanate from it.<BR>>>>>>
Besides<BR>>>>>>>>>> environmental concerns, the
steelmakers have learned that the<BR>>>>>>
effluents<BR>>>>>>>>>> from the coke making process
are valuable by products that need to<BR>>>>
be<BR>>>>>>>>>> trapped and sold. The days of
the beehive coke ovens that spewed<BR>>>>>> all
the<BR>>>>>>>>>> byproducts into the atmosphere are
long gone.<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Dwight<BR>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb
Brannon<BR>>>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley
discussion<BR>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21,
2013 10:41 PM<BR>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo]
Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> Bob
R,<BR>>>>>>>>>> It still had that "orange glow"
when I first moved here in 1972.<BR>>>>>>
Plus,<BR>>>>>>>>>>
when<BR>>>>>>>>>> atmospheric conditions were
right, it smelled like fire &<BR>>>>>>
brimstone,<BR>>>>>>>>>> everywhere. Even today,
on humid days, I still smell the "fire
&<BR>>>>>>>>>> brimstone" coming from the Irvin
Works just over the hill (on Camp<BR>>>>>>>>>
Hollow<BR>>>>>>>>>> Rd) to the south-east of my
place.<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> Contrary to popular opinion steel is
not dead in Pittsburgh. The<BR>>>>>>>>>
Clairton<BR>>>>>>>>>> Works still produces coke as
it always did, the Edgar Thompson<BR>>>>>>
Works<BR>>>>>>>>>>
makes<BR>>>>>>>>>> primary steel, the Irvin Works
produces rolled steel and the<BR>>>>>>
relatively<BR>>>>>>>>>>
new<BR>>>>>>>>>> Mckeesport Tubular Works (old
National Works, now reopened) makes<BR>>>>>>>>>
tubular<BR>>>>>>>>>> products for the Marcellus
Shale drilling industry. So the sulphur<BR>>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>
fire<BR>>>>>>>>>> & brimstone can still be
smelled on humid days and the orange glow<BR>>>>>>
is<BR>>>>>>>>>>
still<BR>>>>>>>>>> available in Braddock and
Clairton.<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Bob
Rathke <<A
href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</A><BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Driving south from Zelienople at
night in the 1950's you didn't<BR>>>>>>
need<BR>>>>>>>>>
a<BR>>>>>>>>>>> compass to locate Pittsburgh -
the sky there always had an orange<BR>>>>>>>>>
glow.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> From: "John Swindler" <<A
href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com">j_swindler@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
<<BR>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:09
AM<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning
Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Was chatting with some PTM
visitors yesterday, and among the<BR>>>>>>>>>
"Pittsburg<BR>>>>>>>>>>> smells" mentioned was
J&L sulfur smell upon exiting Squirrel
Hill<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Tunnels<BR>>>>>>>>>>> and heading downgrade to
Brady St. exit. They were old enough<BR>>>>>>
to<BR>>>>>>>>>>
remember<BR>>>>>>>>>>> air pollution from late
1940s - (before my time).<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> From: <A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:04:35
-0400<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo]
Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
Herb<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> In Beaver burning next to the
curb was OK on concrete streets<BR>>>>>>
(we<BR>>>>>>>>>>
lived<BR>>>>>>>>>>> on one) or brick ones (still
several left in the 50s) but not on<BR>>>>>>>>>>
asphalt<BR>>>>>>>>>>> nor tarred
ones!<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> Tar? When I was in
first or second grade I came home from<BR>>>>>>
school<BR>>>>>>>>>
for<BR>>>>>>>>>>> lunch. On the way back
to school the alley that I used as a<BR>>>>>>
shortcut<BR>>>>>>>>>>
was<BR>>>>>>>>>>> being freshly tarred. I
followed the tar dispensing truck,<BR>>>>>>>>>
fascinated.<BR>>>>>>>>>>> When I got to school I
was sent home immediately. I looked<BR>>>>>> like
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>> proverbial tarbaby. Lots
of turpentine and stiff scrubbing<BR>>>>>>
later,<BR>>>>>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>
a<BR>>>>>>>>>>> new suit of clothes, I returned
and was admitted.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> And we still had plenty of
coal furnaces in our town back then,<BR>>>>>>>>>>
although<BR>>>>>>>>>>> our house used gas.
I well recall the smell of the coal burning<BR>>>>>>
on<BR>>>>>>>>>>
cold<BR>>>>>>>>>>> winter days whilst delivering
the Pittsburgh Press to my paper<BR>>>>>>
route<BR>>>>>>>>>>> customers. The last
time I encountered that smell was just a
few<BR>>>>>>>>>> years
ago<BR>>>>>>>>>>> in a suburb of Budapest while
fotting the trams there. Brought<BR>>>>>>
back<BR>>>>>>>>>>
many<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
memories!<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dwight<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb
Brannon<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 21
October, 2013 10:48<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> To:
Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning
Leaves<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> When I was a child, in
Akron, the common practice was to burn<BR>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>
leaves<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> in the street but along
the curb stones. Sometimes the piles
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>
leaves<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
were<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> so large that the fires
would become too large and would<BR>>>>>> spread
to<BR>>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> treelawn. Then the fire
department would be called to put out<BR>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>
fires.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
It<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> made for an exciting day or
evening. Ranking right up there<BR>>>>>>
with<BR>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
smell<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> of burning leaves are
also the smell of coal smoke and the<BR>>>>>> smell
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>
fresh<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> tar.............three of
the "little joys of life" now gone by<BR>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
wayside.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:33
AM, Dwight Long <<BR>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Herb<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remember back in
the 50s coming back to Beaver from<BR>>>>>>
auto<BR>>>>>>>>>> trips
to<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> the East that involved
the Pa Turnpikewe would use the<BR>>>>>>>>>
Warrendale<BR>>>>>>>>>>> exit
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> the back roads to
Beaver. Coming down into the (Beaver)<BR>>>>>>
valley<BR>>>>>>>>>> off
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill the whole floor
of the valley would be engulfed in leaf<BR>>>>>>>>>
smoke.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unhealthy, they say, but
it sure did convey the impression<BR>>>>>>
that<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Autumn<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
was<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> upon
us!<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dwight<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb
Brannon<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 20
October, 2013 10:36<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> To:
Western PA Trolley
discussion<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
[PRCo] Phil asked about
music<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mentioned
something I really miss.............the smell<BR>>>>>>
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>
burning<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaves in
October.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at
8:37 AM, DF Cramer <<BR>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:alto_trombone@hotmail.com">alto_trombone@hotmail.com</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, what have I
been up to? The beginning of the month
I<BR>>>>>>>>>>
performed<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Copland,
Brahms, & Dvorak with the Butler County<BR>>>>>>
Symphony,our<BR>>>>>>>>>
(my<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
wife<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plays cello) 28th
season with the ensemble. I am back at<BR>>>>>>
IUP<BR>>>>>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
delivered<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
arrangements of French Noels from the Baroque period
to<BR>>>>>>>>>> begin
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> semester and last
week conducted a first reading of my
"The<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Eternal<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Flame",<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
commemorative piece for double trombone choir and<BR>>>>>>
narrator I<BR>>>>>>>>>>
wrote<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
to<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mark the 50th
anniversary of the Kennedy assassination.<BR>>>>>> All
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>
that<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
will<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
be<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performed on
November 19 at the university. Next week I<BR>>>>>>
perform<BR>>>>>>>>>>
with<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
IUP<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brass & organ
faculty at Zion Lutheran in Indiana for<BR>>>>>>>>>
Reformation<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
Sunday<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
following week we are doing Charlie Chaplin's
"City<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Lights"<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
in<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Butler. Chaplin
created the musical score for this silent<BR>>>>>>
film<BR>>>>>>>>>> and
we<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
will<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be showing the
film as we perform. (Side note: if you
want<BR>>>>>>>>>>
tickets<BR>>>>>>>>>>> let
me<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know as soon as
possible--I usually get 4 free
ones)<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that,
I spent quality time with Ed at the<BR>>>>>>
Alle-Kiski<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Historical<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Society,
led a new operator training class at PTM, printed<BR>>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
stuffed<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ballots for
PTM, and am going to the opera today to see<BR>>>>>>
Aida<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
(football<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
fan<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alert--Franco
Harris is leading the Grand March in the<BR>>>>>>
opera<BR>>>>>>>>>>
today)<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I spend lots of
time practicing and cleaning up leaves.
I<BR>>>>>>>>>
mulch<BR>>>>>>>>>>> some
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burn others---yes
we are still permitted to burn
here.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you missed
it--I also performed at the PTM 50th<BR>>>>>>
Anniversary<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
luncheon.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the most
recent issue of PTM Trolley Fare, Fred<BR>>>>>>
Schneider<BR>>>>>>>>>>
took<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
some<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great
images.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis F.
Cramer<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/">http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 19 Oct
2013 05:49:49
-0700<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: <A
href="mailto:pcc_sr@yahoo.com">pcc_sr@yahoo.com</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] still having
issues<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stereo-vision
isn't it Mr.Cramer! Soapbox opportunity;<BR>>>>>>
make<BR>>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
most<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
it!<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have not
recently mentioned anything about your<BR>>>>>>
concert<BR>>>>>>>>>
or<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
music<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
engagements.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
find them fascinating. Music is not at all
unlike<BR>>>>>>
laughter<BR>>>>>>>>>>
is<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
it;<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both speak a
universal
language.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes; BB are the
last posts I have seen. There was not<BR>>>>>>
much<BR>>>>>>>>>
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
anything<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before your
BB posts for several weeks. You mentioned a<BR>>>>>>
book<BR>>>>>>>>>
in<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
relation<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this;
please tell more.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Phil<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
--------------------------------------------<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Sat, 10/19/13, DF Cramer <<A
href="mailto:alto_trombone@hotmail.com">alto_trombone@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [PRCo]
still having
issues<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "<A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>"
<<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Date: Saturday, October 19, 2013, 3:52
AM<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it seemed very
interesting that
after<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I posted on
the list, several emails came through. I<BR>>>>>>
assume<BR>>>>>>>>>>
people<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
were<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responding with
reply all. I have received no posts from<BR>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>
list<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
other<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than those
dealing with Billy
Baxter.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis F.
Cramer<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/">http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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