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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Bob</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">It's still there, but no longer a mercantile
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=bobrathke@comcast.net href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">Bob
Rathke</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">Western PA Trolley
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 28, 2013 8:05
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] Pittsburgh Department
Stores</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>See attached photos of the Joseph Horne Co. building that I
took in 1969 and 1971. <BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR><BR>From:
"Dwight Long" <<A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</A>> <BR>To:
"Western PA Trolley discussion" <<A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>>
<BR>Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 6:47:31 PM <BR>Subject: Re: [PRCo]
Pittsburgh Department Stores <BR><BR><BR>Fred <BR><BR>Kaufman & Baer.
<BR><BR>But I don't understand the reference to Kaufmans being at 6th and
Smithfield. AFAIK it was always at Diamond and Smithfield (and extending the
whole block to Fifth). <BR><BR>What am I missing here? <BR><BR>I forgot Frank
& Seder, another Pgh department store. <BR><BR>But the real tragedy was
the loss of Joseph Horne's. <BR><BR>Dwight <BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message
----- <BR>From: Fred Schneider <BR>To: Western PA Trolley discussion <BR>Sent:
Monday, October 28, 2013 6:56 PM <BR>Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and
Coal <BR><BR><BR>Long befo. I thought Boggs and Buhl closed about 1950 because
my mother's brother told a story of how he went to their going out of business
sale to buy clothing for his kids … he had moved up to Cheswick in the huge
Nov. 1950 storm. The story concluded with the store forgetting to send him the
charge account bill and when he called to ask where it was, all their phones
were disconnected. <BR><BR>But this link claims it closed as a result of the
opening of North Hills Mall in 1955 and the actual closure was in 1960.
<BR><BR><A
href="http://buhlplanetarium2.tripod.com/bio/boggsbuhl.htm">http://buhlplanetarium2.tripod.com/bio/boggsbuhl.htm</A>
<BR><BR>Rosenbaums on Liberty Avenue dawntawn apparently also closed in 1960.
<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.lifeinwesternpa.org/viewDetail.asp?ID=56">http://www.lifeinwesternpa.org/viewDetail.asp?ID=56</A>
<BR><BR>Gimbel's closed sometime in 1986 or 1987. The problem with having
family that was in Pittsburgh back to the time of the Civil War is someone
always told you of this or that connection. In this case, it was an aunt of my
mom's who worked for Kauffman and Bear, the firm that had the store at 6th and
Smithfield before Gimbel's. <BR><BR><A
href="http://departmentstoremuseum.blogspot.com/2010/06/gimbels-pittsburgh-pennsylvania.html">http://departmentstoremuseum.blogspot.com/2010/06/gimbels-pittsburgh-pennsylvania.html</A>
<BR><BR><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimbels">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimbels</A>
<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/army_arch/293068499/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/army_arch/293068499/</A>
<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Oct 28, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Dwight Long wrote:
<BR><BR>> <BR>> Fred <BR>> <BR>> If you are talking about da
Burgh, my recollection is that both Boggs & Buhls and Rosenbaum's went
under before Gimbels. <BR>> <BR>> But if you mean Lancaster------------
<BR>> <BR>> Dwight <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From:
Fred Schneider <BR>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion <BR>> Sent:
Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:16 PM <BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning
Leaves--and Coal <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Herb, I am not insulting Adam
Gimbel. I am using "cheap" in the English language sense, not the way the
American's have adulterated it to mean "crappy" or "no good". It means
economical, as in the "cheap day return ticket" in Britain … translated means
the bargain one day round trip ticket. <BR>> <BR>> Gimbels was the cheap
(bargain) store but they were not in a position to compete with the likes of
WalMart and it this area they were the first department store to fold. If I
had to make a comparison, it would be the British Home Store … yes I have a
favorite shirt with a BHS label. That's what happens when you vacationed so
many times in Britain. <BR>> <BR>> Sadly, Gimbels was not only the
economical store but locally they had some of the worst help too. He could not
stay in business when WalMart or K-Mart had no help and he was paying for
doofuses. I remember one day I went into the Gimbels store to buy something
for my wife. A friend who was a PennDOT attorney was with me. He had just
returned from a vacation in Japan. I could not get any of the sales girls to
wait on me. They were all having a hen party. So I lead Gareth over until we
were within hearing range of the goofing off sales clerks, and then looked at
him and said, "Is it true what you told me … that in Japan the sales clerks
actually are hired to wait on the customers?" He played it to the hilt and
those girls went balistic. How dare you insult them by expecting them to work.
They told us off at full volume. And naturally, we went to another store in
the mall. I think I saw some other customers evacuating Adam Gimbel's store.
<BR>> <BR>> I think there were some other problems too. Each region
operated independently. My charge card for Gimbels in Lancaster was only good
in the Philadelphia region stores. It was not valid in Pittsburgh or Chicago.
It might get immediate clearance for a temporary card there but I had to apply
there if I wanted credit. <BR>> <BR>> Of course, doesn't matter. They
are gone. <BR>> <BR>> Saks? No such thing here. Nearest is in King of
Prussia. And I never heard of a Barneys…. New York store isn't it? <BR>>
<BR>> Lancaster County, Pa., was an area that thrived through the 1980s and
then crashed. For many years we had lower wage rates than the national
average, which means it isn't the place people who want really high wages come
but it might be where a corporation wants to come to build a factory. All
through the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, one company after another came here to
exploit the cheap labor and the "Amish work ethic." The result was a doubling
of the population from 1950 to 2000. But when you stress the local economy and
push the unemployment rate down to half the national unemployment rate (it was
actually as low here as 1.4 percent in the summer of 1964), that puts extreme
pressure on wages. They rose. Unions become popular. So popular that one by
one the factories close and the corporations decide we don't don't need this
shit. This was a major garment manufacturing center … all those plants closed.
Roughly 10,000 shoe, garment and textile jobs vanished. Those jobs went first
to Mexico under the North American Free Trade Agreement and then to China and
southeast Asia. A lot of recreational vehicle plants were built here in the
1980s … we decided fuel is too expensive to tow those trailers so those plant
closed. Armstrong once employed several thousand people here making linoleum
and other resilient floor coverings …. they still do it but in right-to-work
states and in new plants on one floor. In the 1960s RCA had about 3000 people
building color TV sets here and in Wilkes-Barre; then they were introduced to
Sony. Hamilton Watch used to employ almost 2000 people making watches … no one
wants quality watches … the last remnant of the company was sold to a Swiss
firm … they're "out of here" and the building is an apartment now. We still
have manufacturing but its about half the number of workers we had in that
sector in 1970. We now have unemployment over 6% and routine shootings and
burglaries as a means of supporting each other … it's called income transfer.
We no longer have any upper end stores. We don't have as many upper income
people today. I guess they're in Dallas today. But at my age, no reason to
move. <BR>> <BR>> The sad thing about the crash here, Herb, was unlike
Pittsburgh, it affected a young population to begin with. When steel went down
in 1982 in Pittsburgh, it wasn't something new. They already had 20 years of
on-again, off-again problems with the mills. Allegheny County's population was
relatively stable after 1930 in the 1.4 to 1.6 million range. It actually
began dropping from 1.629 million in 1960 to 1.450 million before the big
collapse of steel in 1982 … the kids were already leaving home and going where
the jobs were. You cannot have really high unemployment when people go
directly from working to pensions … they are out of the labor force. <BR>>
<BR>> But Lancaster was still growing rapidly when our crash came. We had
212,000 in 1940 and 423,000 in 1990 when things began to soften, 471,000 in
2000 and 519,000 in 2010. Part of the anomaly of a tapering economy along with
growth is that we have also found ourselves within commuting distance of
Philadelphia's suburban job market and now the same for the northeastern
suburbs of Baltimore. For a while, until the state began to decide they didn't
want workers, the northwestern part of this county was also attractive for
people working in the state capital … only 20 minutes away on the train.
Trouble is, Herb, if that guy gets laid off in Philadelphia he is still among
the 6.5% unemployed in Lancaster. And, as you can see from those numbers, we
have over 50,000 homes built in the last 40 years …. not the same as someone
who built a house in Pittsburgh in 1935. When you have a couple who built a
house in 1990 and the area crashes and they still have a mortgage, you have
problems. <BR>> <BR>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Herb Brannon wrote:
<BR>> <BR>>> Don't let Adam Gimble hear you say that. Oh yes, I
forgot.............all <BR>>> you Lancaster people only shop at Barneys
and Saks. <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:46
AM, Fred Schneider <<A
href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net>wrote">fwschneider@comcast.net>wrote</A>:
<BR>>> <BR>>>> Ah yes, Gimbels … the cheap department store.
But like so many others <BR>>>> driven out of business by K-Mart,
WalMart, Target and so forth, it no <BR>>>> longer exists.
<BR>>>> <BR>>>> My first introduction to any form of
electronic mail was a captive <BR>>>> in-house system that the state
operated for its own departmental <BR>>>> operations. Today it's own
system has been scrapped and it is using the <BR>>>> internet. But it
was a fantastic system that allowed us to get stuff out <BR>>>> of
Harrisburg the same day they got it … of course transmission was
<BR>>>> excruciatingly slow. <BR>>>> <BR>>>> The
earliest memory I have of any such system, however rudimentary, was
<BR>>>> the state Job Bank which would have been in the very early
1970s. All job <BR>>>> orders, referral and placement transactions
were scanned with a slow speed <BR>>>> rotary drum scanner about the
same number of lines as an old television <BR>>>> screen and then
sent over telephone lines to Harrisburg to be be processed <BR>>>>
into the main frame computer. <BR>>>> <BR>>>> Hard to
believe that, in the space of forty years, we have gone from that
<BR>>>> to being able to send letters and photographs and drawings
back and forth <BR>>>> to buddies anywhere in the world in real time.
We can all remember when a <BR>>>> letter to Europe took a week to be
delivered and now, if we are both awake <BR>>>> and near our
computers at the same time, I can pass a half dozen e-mails <BR>>>>
back and forth to the same person in Vienna or Berlin or rural eastern
<BR>>>> England …. as we watch the postal service go bankrupt.
<BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 8:13
PM, Herb Brannon wrote: <BR>>>> <BR>>>>> John,
<BR>>>>> There was a "kinda" Internet back in the early/mid 1980s.
It was nothing <BR>>>>> like we're using today, however.
<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> I had just bought a brand new
Commodore 64 complete system at Gimbles in <BR>>>>> downtown
Pittsburgh. Interesting that both Gimbles and the Commodore 64
<BR>>>>> have gone to the museum of memories. My C64 was very
"cutting edge" for <BR>>>>> 1983/84 inasmuch as I had the
keyboard, monitor ( nothing more than a <BR>>>>> television set
with only green and black color), dataset (for programs <BR>>>> and
<BR>>>>> storage on cassette tape), two (mind you, two !) floppy
disk drives (so I <BR>>>>> didn't have to switch between program
and data-storage disks on only one <BR>>>>> disk drive), and a
dot-matrix printer with these little DIP switches in <BR>>>> the
<BR>>>>> back which could be set to produce ten different print
styles, and a <BR>>>> little <BR>>>>> rectangle shaped
box which plugged into the back of the keyboard and was <BR>>>>>
called a "modem". For what I paid for all that stuff I could have used
<BR>>>> that <BR>>>>> same dollar amount today and
purchased three or four complete computer <BR>>>>> set-ups.
<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> Anyway, I wanted to use this
investment to its fullest so I signed up for <BR>>>>> this service
which was advertised as "connecting computers and their <BR>>>>
users" <BR>>>>> for the purpose of transmitting "mail-like
electronic messages" and <BR>>>>> providing "interest groups" on
varying subject matter. It was, for all <BR>>>>> purposes, the
beginning of the Internet. The "Mail-like electronic <BR>>>> message"
<BR>>>>> service was called MCI Mail. You could send messages to
other users who <BR>>>>> were on this system and you could also
sent messages to people not on the <BR>>>>> service via this MCI
Mail in selected US cities. For people not hooked <BR>>>> into
<BR>>>>> the "network" via computer, the messages went to a MCI
facility (located <BR>>>> in <BR>>>>> several major
cities, Pittsburgh included) and were then delivered by a <BR>>>>>
messenger to any address in downtown Pittsburgh or the downtown area of
<BR>>>> the <BR>>>>> other cities in the network. The
drawbacks were many, including the <BR>>>>> messenger service, the
fact that only the downtown areas of several major <BR>>>>> cities
could be accessed via this service, and the cost. This service
<BR>>>> last <BR>>>>> only a few months as more and more
people and businesses began using <BR>>>>> computers and became
connected. <BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> There were no photographs
on this system, only plain text. However, it <BR>>>> was
<BR>>>>> the start of what we have today and I'm happy that I was
a part of it. <BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:00 PM, John Swindler <<A
href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com">j_swindler@hotmail.com</A>
<BR>>>>> wrote: <BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> In 1968/9 Point Park College
had a relatively new IBM System 360 <BR>>>> computer.
<BR>>>>>> It was a stand alone unit about 5-6 feet high. An
instructor said that <BR>>>>>> the CPU took up less than a foot
of this height - the rest was empty <BR>>>> space.
<BR>>>>>> This was to fool purchasing agents who expected
computers to be big and <BR>>>>>> bulky. Miniaturization was
already occurring. <BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> Doubt if
you were thinking of using the internet in early 1980s, Fred.
<BR>>>>>> Mid-1990s, perhaps, but not 1980s.
<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> A problem in the 1980s was
the proliferation of computer manufacturers <BR>>>> and
<BR>>>>>> non-compatible software. Also speed even when there
was a program that <BR>>>>>> could convert from one language to
another. We're talking 8086 and 286 <BR>>>>>> chips. Today it
seems that instantaneous just doesn't seem fast <BR>>>> enough. I
<BR>>>>>> remember a LOTUS 1-2-3 spreadsheet. Enter a bunch of
data, tell it to <BR>>>>>> compute, then go for a cup of
coffee. It was used to produce the <BR>>>>>> Pennsylvania Mass
Transit Statistical Report. <BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013
02:04:10 +0000 <BR>>>>>>> From: <A
href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</A>
<BR>>>>>>> To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>
<BR>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> Most of us from the
1970's have these computer stories, Fred. I used <BR>>>> my
<BR>>>>>> first word processor in 1979 - a Digital computer the
size of a small <BR>>>>>> refrigerator with a 9" monochrome
screen, plus a noisy daisy-wheel <BR>>>> impact
<BR>>>>>> printer. Hardly desktop, and no hard drive - the word
processing <BR>>>> program <BR>>>>>> ran from an 8"
floppy, and documents were stored on another 8" floppy.
<BR>>>>>> Those floppies had the massive capacity of 840KB
each. That Digital <BR>>>>>> computer cost $12,000, but it
wasn't linked to anything, so in 1980 the <BR>>>>>> company
bought a modem to connect to another computer. That modem cost
<BR>>>> $750. <BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> Bob. <BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> From: "Fred
Schneider" <<A
href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">fwschneider@comcast.net</A>>
<BR>>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
<BR>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>>
<BR>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 7:48:16 PM
<BR>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> Bob,
<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> I can recall when
the state had a mammoth computer room in the L&I <BR>>>>>>
Building in Harrisburg to handle all Employment Service data reporting
<BR>>>> and <BR>>>>>> all the Unemployment Claims ….
huge place on a raised floor to <BR>>>> accommodate
<BR>>>>>> both the cabling and the air-conditing ducts to keep
the main frame <BR>>>>>> computers cool.
<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> Today I know what is
sitting on my desk … each of them …. has far more <BR>>>>>>
power than what put the man on the moon back in the 1960s. Probably
<BR>>>> the <BR>>>>>> computers in most of our cars
have more ooomph than that computer that <BR>>>> put
<BR>>>>>> Armstrong on the moon. <BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> In the early 1980s, I was the head of an
occupational information <BR>>>>>> program in Pennsylvania to
provide data to schools and anyone else who <BR>>>>>> might
need it … mostly for counseling kids. The federal government <BR>>>>
wanted <BR>>>>>> it all done on main frame computers. In
Pennsylvania, we were thinking <BR>>>>>> about doing it on desk
top computers and passing out the information on <BR>>>>>>
floppy disks or linking them by this new internet to desk tops in
<BR>>>>>> Harrisburg. Washington told me that if we tried to do
it that way, we <BR>>>>>> would not be given any grant money.
Obviously someone who was making <BR>>>> main
<BR>>>>>> frame computers had lobbied heavily to have things
done his way. <BR>>>> Funny <BR>>>>>> thing about that
… two years later, my successor told me that I had been
<BR>>>>>> right and we're doing it your way.
<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> It's not your
grandmother's Buick…. <BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> Fred <BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:
<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>> In 1965 I wrote
and produced a slide presentation for training U.S. <BR>>>>>>
Steel's customer service people in their offices around the U.S. I made
<BR>>>>>> several visits to the Muriel St. facility to get
background information <BR>>>> on <BR>>>>>> U.S.
Steel's computer capabilities. I remember being impressed with the
<BR>>>>>> building's climate controlled environment and the
raised floors to <BR>>>>>> accomodate under-floor computer
cables. <BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>
Today, an i-pad is probably more powerful that the computer system in
<BR>>>>>> that building in 1965.
<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>> Bob
<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> From: "Derrick Brashear" <<A
href="mailto:shadow@dementix.org">shadow@dementix.org</A>>
<BR>>>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
<BR>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>>
<BR>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:05:40 PM
<BR>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>> it's a
computer center <BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct
22, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Bob Rathke <<A
href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</A>>
<BR>>>>>> wrote: <BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> In the 1970's, USS's Muriel St. facility
was the Direct Mail Center - <BR>>>>>>>>> computer
operations, literature storage and fulfillment. If it's
<BR>>>>>> still <BR>>>>>>>>> there, I'm
not sure about its current function. <BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>>
From: "Herb Brannon" <<A
href="mailto:hrbran@cavtel.net">hrbran@cavtel.net</A>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
<BR>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:14
PM <BR>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning
Leaves--and Coal <BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> It seems that back in the "big steel"
days the main producers of <BR>>>>>> smoke and
<BR>>>>>>>>> fire were the USS Homestead Works and
just about everything J & L had <BR>>>>>>>>>
operating. <BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> USS also has some type of operation on
Muriel Street in Southside. <BR>>>>>> I'm not
<BR>>>>>>>>> sure what they do there, however. USS
also has a research center in <BR>>>>>>>>> Homestead
still operating. Even with all these operating facilities,
<BR>>>>>> the <BR>>>>>>>>> number of
people employed by USS comes nowhere near what those <BR>>>>>>
facilities <BR>>>>>>>>> used to employ.
<BR>>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Dwight
Long < <BR>>>> <A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</A>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
<BR>>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> Herb
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> But Irvin works is not a primary
producer but rather a rolling mill <BR>>>>>> (as
<BR>>>>>>>>>> you said) and so would not generate
the "fire and brimstone" that <BR>>>>>>>>>>
characterized a primary steel producer.
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> I went by Clairton on a train in July
and did not notice any smoke <BR>>>> at
<BR>>>>>>>>> all,
<BR>>>>>>>>>> just some condensed water vapor. I
think the coking processes are <BR>>>> so
<BR>>>>>>>>>> contained these days that very little
emissions emanate from it. <BR>>>>>> Besides
<BR>>>>>>>>>> environmental concerns, the
steelmakers have learned that the <BR>>>>>> effluents
<BR>>>>>>>>>> from the coke making process are
valuable by products that need to <BR>>>> be
<BR>>>>>>>>>> trapped and sold. The days of the
beehive coke ovens that spewed <BR>>>>>> all the
<BR>>>>>>>>>> byproducts into the atmosphere are
long gone. <BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> Dwight
<BR>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon
<BR>>>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
<BR>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:41
PM <BR>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning
Leaves--and Coal <BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> Bob R,
<BR>>>>>>>>>> It still had that "orange glow" when
I first moved here in 1972. <BR>>>>>> Plus,
<BR>>>>>>>>>> when
<BR>>>>>>>>>> atmospheric conditions were right, it
smelled like fire & <BR>>>>>> brimstone,
<BR>>>>>>>>>> everywhere. Even today, on humid
days, I still smell the "fire & <BR>>>>>>>>>>
brimstone" coming from the Irvin Works just over the hill (on Camp
<BR>>>>>>>>> Hollow
<BR>>>>>>>>>> Rd) to the south-east of my place.
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> Contrary to popular opinion steel is
not dead in Pittsburgh. The <BR>>>>>>>>> Clairton
<BR>>>>>>>>>> Works still produces coke as it
always did, the Edgar Thompson <BR>>>>>> Works
<BR>>>>>>>>>> makes
<BR>>>>>>>>>> primary steel, the Irvin Works
produces rolled steel and the <BR>>>>>> relatively
<BR>>>>>>>>>> new
<BR>>>>>>>>>> Mckeesport Tubular Works (old
National Works, now reopened) makes <BR>>>>>>>>>
tubular <BR>>>>>>>>>> products for the Marcellus
Shale drilling industry. So the sulphur <BR>>>>>> and
<BR>>>>>>>>>> fire
<BR>>>>>>>>>> & brimstone can still be smelled
on humid days and the orange glow <BR>>>>>> is
<BR>>>>>>>>>> still
<BR>>>>>>>>>> available in Braddock and Clairton.
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Bob
Rathke <<A href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</A>
<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Driving south from Zelienople at
night in the 1950's you didn't <BR>>>>>> need
<BR>>>>>>>>> a
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> compass to locate Pittsburgh -
the sky there always had an orange <BR>>>>>>>>> glow.
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> From: "John Swindler" <<A
href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com">j_swindler@hotmail.com</A>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley
discussion" < <BR>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013
10:16:09 AM <BR>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo]
Burning Leaves--and Coal <BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Was chatting with some PTM
visitors yesterday, and among the <BR>>>>>>>>>
"Pittsburg <BR>>>>>>>>>>> smells" mentioned was
J&L sulfur smell upon exiting Squirrel Hill
<BR>>>>>>>>>> Tunnels
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> and heading downgrade to Brady
St. exit. They were old enough <BR>>>>>> to
<BR>>>>>>>>>> remember
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> air pollution from late 1940s -
(before my time). <BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> From: <A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</A>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013
11:04:35 -0400 <BR>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
[PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> In Beaver burning next to the
curb was OK on concrete streets <BR>>>>>> (we
<BR>>>>>>>>>> lived
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> on one) or brick ones (still
several left in the 50s) but not on <BR>>>>>>>>>>
asphalt <BR>>>>>>>>>>> nor tarred ones!
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> Tar? When I was in first or
second grade I came home from <BR>>>>>> school
<BR>>>>>>>>> for
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> lunch. On the way back to school
the alley that I used as a <BR>>>>>> shortcut
<BR>>>>>>>>>> was
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> being freshly tarred. I followed
the tar dispensing truck, <BR>>>>>>>>> fascinated.
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> When I got to school I was sent
home immediately. I looked <BR>>>>>> like the
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> proverbial tarbaby. Lots of
turpentine and stiff scrubbing <BR>>>>>> later,
<BR>>>>>>>>> and
<BR>>>>>>>>>> a
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> new suit of clothes, I returned
and was admitted. <BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> And we still had plenty of
coal furnaces in our town back then, <BR>>>>>>>>>>
although <BR>>>>>>>>>>> our house used gas. I
well recall the smell of the coal burning <BR>>>>>> on
<BR>>>>>>>>>> cold
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> winter days whilst delivering the
Pittsburgh Press to my paper <BR>>>>>> route
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> customers. The last time I
encountered that smell was just a few <BR>>>>>>>>>>
years ago <BR>>>>>>>>>>> in a suburb of Budapest
while fotting the trams there. Brought <BR>>>>>> back
<BR>>>>>>>>>> many
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> memories!
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> Dwight
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 21 October,
2013 10:48 <BR>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Western PA
Trolley discussion <BR>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject:
Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves <BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
When I was a child, in Akron, the common practice was to burn
<BR>>>>>> the <BR>>>>>>>>>> leaves
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> in the street but along the
curb stones. Sometimes the piles of <BR>>>>>>>>>>
leaves <BR>>>>>>>>>>> were
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> so large that the fires would
become too large and would <BR>>>>>> spread to
<BR>>>>>>>>>> the
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> treelawn. Then the fire
department would be called to put out <BR>>>>>> the
<BR>>>>>>>>>> fires.
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> It
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> made for an exciting day or
evening. Ranking right up there <BR>>>>>> with
<BR>>>>>>>>> the
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> smell
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> of burning leaves are also
the smell of coal smoke and the <BR>>>>>> smell of
<BR>>>>>>>>>> fresh
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> tar.............three of the
"little joys of life" now gone by <BR>>>>>> the
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> wayside.
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:33
AM, Dwight Long < <BR>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</A>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remember back in
the 50s coming back to Beaver from <BR>>>>>> auto
<BR>>>>>>>>>> trips to
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> the East that involved
the Pa Turnpike—we would use the <BR>>>>>>>>>
Warrendale <BR>>>>>>>>>>> exit and
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> the back roads to Beaver.
Coming down into the (Beaver) <BR>>>>>> valley
<BR>>>>>>>>>> off the
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill the whole floor of
the valley would be engulfed in leaf <BR>>>>>>>>>
smoke. <BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unhealthy, they say, but
it sure did convey the impression <BR>>>>>> that
<BR>>>>>>>>>> Autumn
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> was
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> upon us!
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dwight
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 20 October,
2013 10:36 <BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Western PA
Trolley discussion <BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Phil asked about music
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mentioned something I
really miss.............the smell <BR>>>>>> of
<BR>>>>>>>>>> burning
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaves in October.
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at
8:37 AM, DF Cramer < <BR>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:alto_trombone@hotmail.com">alto_trombone@hotmail.com</A>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, what have I
been up to? The beginning of the month I
<BR>>>>>>>>>> performed
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Copland, Brahms,
& Dvorak with the Butler County <BR>>>>>> Symphony,our
<BR>>>>>>>>> (my
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> wife
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plays cello) 28th
season with the ensemble. I am back at <BR>>>>>> IUP
<BR>>>>>>>>> and
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> delivered
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two arrangements of
French Noels from the Baroque period to
<BR>>>>>>>>>> begin the
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> semester and last
week conducted a first reading of my "The
<BR>>>>>>>>>> Eternal
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flame",
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a commemorative piece
for double trombone choir and <BR>>>>>> narrator I
<BR>>>>>>>>>> wrote
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> to
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mark the 50th
anniversary of the Kennedy assassination. <BR>>>>>> All of
<BR>>>>>>>>>> that
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> will
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performed on November
19 at the university. Next week I <BR>>>>>> perform
<BR>>>>>>>>>> with
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> IUP
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brass & organ
faculty at Zion Lutheran in Indiana for <BR>>>>>>>>>
Reformation <BR>>>>>>>>>>> Sunday
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the following
week we are doing Charlie Chaplin's "City
<BR>>>>>>>>>> Lights"
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> in
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Butler. Chaplin
created the musical score for this silent <BR>>>>>> film
<BR>>>>>>>>>> and we
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be showing the film
as we perform. (Side note: if you want
<BR>>>>>>>>>> tickets
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> let me
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know as soon as
possible--I usually get 4 free ones)
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, I
spent quality time with Ed at the <BR>>>>>> Alle-Kiski
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Historical
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Society, led a new
operator training class at PTM, printed <BR>>>>>> and
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> stuffed
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ballots for PTM, and
am going to the opera today to see <BR>>>>>> Aida
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> (football
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> fan
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alert--Franco Harris
is leading the Grand March in the <BR>>>>>> opera
<BR>>>>>>>>>> today)
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I spend lots of time
practicing and cleaning up leaves. I <BR>>>>>>>>>
mulch <BR>>>>>>>>>>> some and
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burn others---yes we
are still permitted to burn here.
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you missed it--I
also performed at the PTM 50th <BR>>>>>> Anniversary
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> luncheon.
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the most recent
issue of PTM Trolley Fare, Fred <BR>>>>>> Schneider
<BR>>>>>>>>>> took
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> some
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great images.
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis F. Cramer
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/">http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/</A>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 19 Oct
2013 05:49:49 -0700
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: <A
href="mailto:pcc_sr@yahoo.com">pcc_sr@yahoo.com</A>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
[PRCo] still having issues
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stereo-vision
isn't it Mr.Cramer! Soapbox opportunity; <BR>>>>>> make
<BR>>>>>>>>>> the
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> most
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it!
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have not
recently mentioned anything about your <BR>>>>>> concert
<BR>>>>>>>>> or
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> music
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engagements.
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find them
fascinating. Music is not at all unlike <BR>>>>>> laughter
<BR>>>>>>>>>> is
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> it;
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both speak a
universal language.
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes; BB are the
last posts I have seen. There was not <BR>>>>>> much
<BR>>>>>>>>> of
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> anything
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before your BB posts
for several weeks. You mentioned a <BR>>>>>> book
<BR>>>>>>>>> in
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> relation
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this; please tell
more. <BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
--------------------------------------------
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10/19/13,
DF Cramer <<A
href="mailto:alto_trombone@hotmail.com">alto_trombone@hotmail.com</A>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> wrote:
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [PRCo]
still having issues
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "<A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>"
< <BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Saturday,
October 19, 2013, 3:52 AM
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it seemed very
interesting that after
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I posted on the
list, several emails came through. I <BR>>>>>> assume
<BR>>>>>>>>>> people
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responding with reply
all. I have received no posts from <BR>>>>>> the
<BR>>>>>>>>>> list
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> other
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than those dealing
with Billy Baxter.
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis F. Cramer
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/">http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/</A>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> *......the Greatest City
In The U.S.* <BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's Go
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<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In
The U.S.* <BR>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's Go Pens
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