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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Fred</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">If you are talking about da Burgh, my
recollection is that both Boggs & Buhls and Rosenbaum's went under before
Gimbels.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">But if you mean
Lancaster------------</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=fwschneider@comcast.net href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">Fred
Schneider</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">Western PA Trolley
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:16
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and
Coal</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Herb, I am not insulting Adam Gimbel. I am
using "cheap" in the English language sense, not the way the American's have
adulterated it to mean "crappy" or "no good". It means economical,
as in the "cheap day return ticket" in Britain
translated means the bargain
one day round trip ticket.<BR><BR>Gimbels was the cheap (bargain) store but
they were not in a position to compete with the likes of WalMart and it this
area they were the first department store to fold. If I had to
make a comparison, it would be the British Home Store
yes I have a favorite
shirt with a BHS label. That's what happens when you vacationed so many
times in Britain. <BR><BR>Sadly, Gimbels was not only the
economical store but locally they had some of the worst help too.
He could not stay in business when WalMart or K-Mart had no help and he was
paying for doofuses. I remember one day I went into the Gimbels
store to buy something for my wife. A friend who was a PennDOT
attorney was with me. He had just returned from a vacation in
Japan. I could not get any of the sales girls to wait on
me. They were all having a hen party. So I lead Gareth over
until we were within hearing range of the goofing off sales clerks, and then
looked at him and said, "Is it true what you told me
that in Japan the sales
clerks actually are hired to wait on the customers?" He played it
to the hilt and those girls went balistic. How dare you insult
them by expecting them to work. They told us off at full
volume. And naturally, we went to another store in the
mall. I think I saw some other customers evacuating Adam Gimbel's
store. <BR><BR>I think there were some other problems
too. Each region operated independently. My charge
card for Gimbels in Lancaster was only good in the Philadelphia region
stores. It was not valid in Pittsburgh or Chicago. It
might get immediate clearance for a temporary card there but I had to apply
there if I wanted credit. <BR><BR>Of course, doesn't
matter. They are gone.<BR><BR>Saks? No such thing
here. Nearest is in King of Prussia. And I never
heard of a Barneys
. New York store isn't it? <BR><BR>Lancaster
County, Pa., was an area that thrived through the 1980s and then
crashed. For many years we had lower wage rates than the national
average, which means it isn't the place people who want really high wages come
but it might be where a corporation wants to come to build a
factory. All through the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, one company after
another came here to exploit the cheap labor and the "Amish work
ethic." The result was a doubling of the population from 1950 to
2000. But when you stress the local economy and push the unemployment
rate down to half the national unemployment rate (it was actually as low here
as 1.4 percent in the summer of 1964), that puts extreme pressure on
wages. They rose. Unions become popular. So
popular that one by one the factories close and the corporations decide we
don't don't need this shit. This was a major garment manufacturing
center
all those plants closed. Roughly 10,000 shoe, garment and
textile jobs vanished. Those jobs went first to Mexico under the
North American Free Trade Agreement and then to China and southeast
Asia. A lot of recreational vehicle plants were built here
in the 1980s
we decided fuel is too expensive to tow those trailers so those
plant closed. Armstrong once employed several thousand people here
making linoleum and other resilient floor coverings
. they still do it but in
right-to-work states and in new plants on one floor. In the 1960s RCA
had about 3000 people building color TV sets here and in Wilkes-Barre;
then they were introduced to Sony. Hamilton Watch used to
employ almost 2000 people making watches
no one wants quality watches
the
last remnant of the company was sold to a Swiss firm
they're "out of here"
and the building is an apartment now. We still have manufacturing
but its about half the number of workers we had in that sector in
1970. We now have unemployment over 6% and routine shootings
and burglaries as a means of supporting each other
it's called income
transfer. We no longer have any upper end
stores. We don't have as many upper income people
today. I guess they're in Dallas today. But at my age,
no reason to move. <BR><BR>The sad thing about the crash here, Herb, was
unlike Pittsburgh, it affected a young population to begin with.
When steel went down in 1982 in Pittsburgh, it wasn't something new.
They already had 20 years of on-again, off-again problems with the
mills. Allegheny County's population was relatively stable after 1930 in
the 1.4 to 1.6 million range. It actually began dropping from
1.629 million in 1960 to 1.450 million before the big collapse of steel in
1982
the kids were already leaving home and going where the jobs
were. You cannot have really high unemployment when people go
directly from working to pensions
they are out of the labor
force.<BR><BR>But Lancaster was still growing rapidly when our crash
came. We had 212,000 in 1940 and 423,000 in 1990 when things began
to soften, 471,000 in 2000 and 519,000 in 2010. Part of the
anomaly of a tapering economy along with growth is that we have also found
ourselves within commuting distance of Philadelphia's suburban job market and
now the same for the northeastern suburbs of Baltimore. For a
while, until the state began to decide they didn't want workers, the
northwestern part of this county was also attractive for people working in the
state capital
only 20 minutes away on the train. Trouble is,
Herb, if that guy gets laid off in Philadelphia he is still among the 6.5%
unemployed in Lancaster. And, as you can see from those numbers,
we have over 50,000 homes built in the last 40 years
. not the same as
someone who built a house in Pittsburgh in 1935. When you have a
couple who built a house in 1990 and the area crashes and they still have a
mortgage, you have problems. <BR><BR>On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:28 AM,
Herb Brannon wrote:<BR><BR>> Don't let Adam Gimble hear you say that.
Oh yes, I forgot.............all<BR>> you Lancaster people only shop at
Barneys and Saks.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:46 AM,
Fred Schneider <<A
href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net>wrote">fwschneider@comcast.net>wrote</A>:<BR>>
<BR>>> Ah yes, Gimbels
the cheap department store. But
like so many others<BR>>> driven out of business by K-Mart, WalMart,
Target and so forth, it no<BR>>> longer exists.<BR>>> <BR>>>
My first introduction to any form of electronic mail was a captive<BR>>>
in-house system that the state operated for its own departmental<BR>>>
operations. Today it's own system has been scrapped and it is using
the<BR>>> internet. But it was a fantastic system that
allowed us to get stuff out<BR>>> of Harrisburg the same day they got it
of course transmission was<BR>>> excruciatingly slow.<BR>>>
<BR>>> The earliest memory I have of any such system, however
rudimentary, was<BR>>> the state Job Bank which would have been in the
very early 1970s. All job<BR>>> orders, referral and
placement transactions were scanned with a slow speed<BR>>> rotary drum
scanner about the same number of lines as an old television<BR>>> screen
and then sent over telephone lines to Harrisburg to be be
processed<BR>>> into the main frame computer.<BR>>> <BR>>>
Hard to believe that, in the space of forty years, we have gone from
that<BR>>> to being able to send letters and photographs and drawings
back and forth<BR>>> to buddies anywhere in the world in real
time. We can all remember when a<BR>>> letter to Europe took
a week to be delivered and now, if we are both awake<BR>>> and near our
computers at the same time, I can pass a half dozen e-mails<BR>>> back
and forth to the same person in Vienna or Berlin or rural eastern<BR>>>
England
. as we watch the postal service go bankrupt.<BR>>>
<BR>>> <BR>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 8:13 PM, Herb Brannon
wrote:<BR>>> <BR>>>> John,<BR>>>> There was a "kinda"
Internet back in the early/mid 1980s. It was nothing<BR>>>> like
we're using today, however.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> I had just bought
a brand new Commodore 64 complete system at Gimbles in<BR>>>>
downtown Pittsburgh. Interesting that both Gimbles and the Commodore
64<BR>>>> have gone to the museum of memories. My C64 was very
"cutting edge" for<BR>>>> 1983/84 inasmuch as I had the keyboard,
monitor ( nothing more than a<BR>>>> television set with only green
and black color), dataset (for programs<BR>>> and<BR>>>>
storage on cassette tape), two (mind you, two !) floppy disk drives (so
I<BR>>>> didn't have to switch between program and data-storage disks
on only one<BR>>>> disk drive), and a dot-matrix printer with these
little DIP switches in<BR>>> the<BR>>>> back which could be set
to produce ten different print styles, and a<BR>>>
little<BR>>>> rectangle shaped box which plugged into the back of the
keyboard and was<BR>>>> called a "modem". For what I paid for all
that stuff I could have used<BR>>> that<BR>>>> same dollar
amount today and purchased three or four complete computer<BR>>>>
set-ups.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Anyway, I wanted to use this
investment to its fullest so I signed up for<BR>>>> this service
which was advertised as "connecting computers and their<BR>>>
users"<BR>>>> for the purpose of transmitting "mail-like electronic
messages" and<BR>>>> providing "interest groups" on varying subject
matter. It was, for all<BR>>>> purposes, the beginning of the
Internet. The "Mail-like electronic<BR>>> message"<BR>>>>
service was called MCI Mail. You could send messages to other users
who<BR>>>> were on this system and you could also sent messages to
people not on the<BR>>>> service via this MCI Mail in selected US
cities. For people not hooked<BR>>> into<BR>>>> the "network"
via computer, the messages went to a MCI facility (located<BR>>>
in<BR>>>> several major cities, Pittsburgh included) and were then
delivered by a<BR>>>> messenger to any address in downtown Pittsburgh
or the downtown area of<BR>>> the<BR>>>> other cities in the
network. The drawbacks were many, including the<BR>>>> messenger
service, the fact that only the downtown areas of several
major<BR>>>> cities could be accessed via this service, and the cost.
This service<BR>>> last<BR>>>> only a few months as more and
more people and businesses began using<BR>>>> computers and became
connected.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> There were no photographs on this
system, only plain text. However, it<BR>>> was<BR>>>> the start
of what we have today and I'm happy that I was a part of it.<BR>>>>
<BR>>>> <BR>>>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:00 PM, John
Swindler <<A
href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com">j_swindler@hotmail.com</A><BR>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>> <BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> In 1968/9 Point Park College had a relatively new IBM
System 360<BR>>> computer.<BR>>>>> It was a stand alone unit
about 5-6 feet high. An instructor said that<BR>>>>> the CPU
took up less than a foot of this height - the rest was empty<BR>>>
space.<BR>>>>> This was to fool purchasing agents who expected
computers to be big and<BR>>>>> bulky. Miniaturization was
already occurring.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> Doubt if you were
thinking of using the internet in early 1980s, Fred.<BR>>>>>
Mid-1990s, perhaps, but not 1980s.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> A
problem in the 1980s was the proliferation of computer
manufacturers<BR>>> and<BR>>>>> non-compatible
software. Also speed even when there was a program
that<BR>>>>> could convert from one language to another.
We're talking 8086 and 286<BR>>>>> chips. Today it seems
that instantaneous just doesn't seem fast<BR>>> enough.
I<BR>>>>> remember a LOTUS 1-2-3 spreadsheet. Enter a bunch
of data, tell it to<BR>>>>> compute, then go for a cup of
coffee. It was used to produce the<BR>>>>> Pennsylvania Mass
Transit Statistical Report.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 02:04:10
+0000<BR>>>>>> From: <A
href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</A><BR>>>>>>
To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>> Most of us from the 1970's have these computer
stories, Fred. I used<BR>>> my<BR>>>>> first word
processor in 1979 - a Digital computer the size of a small<BR>>>>>
refrigerator with a 9" monochrome screen, plus a noisy daisy-wheel<BR>>>
impact<BR>>>>> printer. Hardly desktop, and no hard drive -
the word processing<BR>>> program<BR>>>>> ran from an 8"
floppy, and documents were stored on another 8" floppy.<BR>>>>>
Those floppies had the massive capacity of 840KB each. That
Digital<BR>>>>> computer cost $12,000, but it wasn't linked to
anything, so in 1980 the<BR>>>>> company bought a modem to connect
to another computer. That modem cost<BR>>> $750.<BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>> Bob.<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>
From: "Fred Schneider" <<A
href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">fwschneider@comcast.net</A>><BR>>>>>>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<BR>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>>>>>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 7:48:16 PM<BR>>>>>> Subject: Re:
[PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>> Bob,<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>
I can recall when the state had a mammoth computer room in the
L&I<BR>>>>> Building in Harrisburg to handle all Employment
Service data reporting<BR>>> and<BR>>>>> all the
Unemployment Claims
. huge place on a raised floor to<BR>>>
accommodate<BR>>>>> both the cabling and the air-conditing ducts
to keep the main frame<BR>>>>> computers
cool.<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> Today I know what is
sitting on my desk
each of them
. has far more<BR>>>>> power
than what put the man on the moon back in the 1960s.
Probably<BR>>> the<BR>>>>> computers in most of our cars
have more ooomph than that computer that<BR>>> put<BR>>>>>
Armstrong on the moon.<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> In the
early 1980s, I was the head of an occupational information<BR>>>>>
program in Pennsylvania to provide data to schools and anyone else
who<BR>>>>> might need it
mostly for counseling
kids. The federal government<BR>>>
wanted<BR>>>>> it all done on main frame computers. In
Pennsylvania, we were thinking<BR>>>>> about doing it on desk top
computers and passing out the information on<BR>>>>> floppy disks
or linking them by this new internet to desk tops in<BR>>>>>
Harrisburg. Washington told me that if we tried to do it that way,
we<BR>>>>> would not be given any grant money.
Obviously someone who was making<BR>>> main<BR>>>>> frame
computers had lobbied heavily to have things done his way.<BR>>>
Funny<BR>>>>> thing about that
two years later, my successor
told me that I had been<BR>>>>> right and we're doing it your
way.<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> It's not your
grandmother's Buick
.<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>
Fred<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 7:14
PM, Bob Rathke wrote:<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> In
1965 I wrote and produced a slide presentation for training
U.S.<BR>>>>> Steel's customer service people in their offices
around the U.S. I made<BR>>>>> several visits to the Muriel
St. facility to get background information<BR>>> on<BR>>>>>
U.S. Steel's computer capabilities. I remember being impressed with
the<BR>>>>> building's climate controlled environment and the
raised floors to<BR>>>>> accomodate under-floor computer
cables.<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> Today, an
i-pad is probably more powerful that the computer system
in<BR>>>>> that building in 1965.<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> Bob<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> From: "Derrick
Brashear" <<A
href="mailto:shadow@dementix.org">shadow@dementix.org</A>><BR>>>>>>>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<BR>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>>>>>>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:05:40 PM<BR>>>>>>> Subject:
Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> it's a computer
center<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Bob Rathke
<<A
href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</A>><BR>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>> In the
1970's, USS's Muriel St. facility was the Direct Mail Center
-<BR>>>>>>>> computer operations, literature storage and
fulfillment. If it's<BR>>>>>
still<BR>>>>>>>> there, I'm not sure about its current
function.<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> From: "Herb Brannon" <<A
href="mailto:hrbran@cavtel.net">hrbran@cavtel.net</A>><BR>>>>>>>>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<BR>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>>>>>>>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:14 PM<BR>>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> It seems that back in the "big steel" days
the main producers of<BR>>>>> smoke
and<BR>>>>>>>> fire were the USS Homestead Works and just
about everything J & L had<BR>>>>>>>>
operating.<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>
USS also has some type of operation on Muriel Street in
Southside.<BR>>>>> I'm not<BR>>>>>>>> sure
what they do there, however. USS also has a research center
in<BR>>>>>>>> Homestead still operating. Even with all
these operating facilities,<BR>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>> number of people employed by USS comes
nowhere near what those<BR>>>>>
facilities<BR>>>>>>>> used to
employ.<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Dwight Long
<<BR>>> <A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</A><BR>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> Herb<BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> But Irvin works is not a primary producer
but rather a rolling mill<BR>>>>>
(as<BR>>>>>>>>> you said) and so would not generate
the "fire and brimstone" that<BR>>>>>>>>>
characterized a primary steel producer.<BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> I went by Clairton on a train in July and
did not notice any smoke<BR>>> at<BR>>>>>>>>
all,<BR>>>>>>>>> just some condensed water
vapor. I think the coking processes are<BR>>>
so<BR>>>>>>>>> contained these days that very little
emissions emanate from it.<BR>>>>>
Besides<BR>>>>>>>>> environmental concerns, the
steelmakers have learned that the<BR>>>>>
effluents<BR>>>>>>>>> from the coke making process are
valuable by products that need to<BR>>>
be<BR>>>>>>>>> trapped and sold. The days of the
beehive coke ovens that spewed<BR>>>>> all
the<BR>>>>>>>>> byproducts into the atmosphere are
long gone.<BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>
Dwight<BR>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>>>>>>> From: Herb
Brannon<BR>>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley
discussion<BR>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013
10:41 PM<BR>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning
Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>> Bob
R,<BR>>>>>>>>> It still had that "orange glow" when I
first moved here in 1972.<BR>>>>>
Plus,<BR>>>>>>>>>
when<BR>>>>>>>>> atmospheric conditions were right, it
smelled like fire &<BR>>>>>
brimstone,<BR>>>>>>>>> everywhere. Even today,
on humid days, I still smell the "fire
&<BR>>>>>>>>> brimstone" coming from the Irvin
Works just over the hill (on Camp<BR>>>>>>>>
Hollow<BR>>>>>>>>> Rd) to the south-east of my
place.<BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> Contrary to popular opinion steel is not
dead in Pittsburgh. The<BR>>>>>>>>
Clairton<BR>>>>>>>>> Works still produces coke as it
always did, the Edgar Thompson<BR>>>>>
Works<BR>>>>>>>>>
makes<BR>>>>>>>>> primary steel, the Irvin Works
produces rolled steel and the<BR>>>>>
relatively<BR>>>>>>>>>
new<BR>>>>>>>>> Mckeesport Tubular Works (old National
Works, now reopened) makes<BR>>>>>>>>
tubular<BR>>>>>>>>> products for the Marcellus Shale
drilling industry. So the sulphur<BR>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>>>>>
fire<BR>>>>>>>>> & brimstone can still be smelled
on humid days and the orange glow<BR>>>>>
is<BR>>>>>>>>>
still<BR>>>>>>>>> available in Braddock and
Clairton.<BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>> On
Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Bob Rathke <<A
href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</A><BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> Driving south from Zelienople at
night in the 1950's you didn't<BR>>>>>
need<BR>>>>>>>> a<BR>>>>>>>>>>
compass to locate Pittsburgh - the sky there always had an
orange<BR>>>>>>>>
glow.<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> From: "John Swindler" <<A
href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com">j_swindler@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
<<BR>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:09
AM<BR>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning
Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> Was chatting with some PTM visitors
yesterday, and among the<BR>>>>>>>>
"Pittsburg<BR>>>>>>>>>> smells" mentioned was
J&L sulfur smell upon exiting Squirrel
Hill<BR>>>>>>>>>
Tunnels<BR>>>>>>>>>> and heading downgrade to Brady
St. exit. They were old enough<BR>>>>>
to<BR>>>>>>>>>
remember<BR>>>>>>>>>> air pollution from late 1940s
- (before my time).<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> From: <A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:04:35
-0400<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning
Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
Herb<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> In Beaver burning next to the
curb was OK on concrete streets<BR>>>>>
(we<BR>>>>>>>>>
lived<BR>>>>>>>>>> on one) or brick ones (still
several left in the 50s) but not on<BR>>>>>>>>>
asphalt<BR>>>>>>>>>> nor tarred
ones!<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Tar? When I was in first or
second grade I came home from<BR>>>>>
school<BR>>>>>>>>
for<BR>>>>>>>>>> lunch. On the way back to
school the alley that I used as a<BR>>>>>
shortcut<BR>>>>>>>>>
was<BR>>>>>>>>>> being freshly tarred. I
followed the tar dispensing truck,<BR>>>>>>>>
fascinated.<BR>>>>>>>>>> When I got to school I was
sent home immediately. I looked<BR>>>>> like
the<BR>>>>>>>>>> proverbial tarbaby. Lots of
turpentine and stiff scrubbing<BR>>>>>
later,<BR>>>>>>>> and<BR>>>>>>>>>
a<BR>>>>>>>>>> new suit of clothes, I returned and
was admitted.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> And we still had plenty of coal
furnaces in our town back then,<BR>>>>>>>>>
although<BR>>>>>>>>>> our house used gas. I
well recall the smell of the coal burning<BR>>>>>
on<BR>>>>>>>>>
cold<BR>>>>>>>>>> winter days whilst delivering the
Pittsburgh Press to my paper<BR>>>>>
route<BR>>>>>>>>>> customers. The last time I
encountered that smell was just a few<BR>>>>>>>>>
years ago<BR>>>>>>>>>> in a suburb of Budapest
while fotting the trams there. Brought<BR>>>>>
back<BR>>>>>>>>>
many<BR>>>>>>>>>>
memories!<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
Dwight<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb
Brannon<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 21 October,
2013 10:48<BR>>>>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley
discussion<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo]
Burning Leaves<BR>>>>>>>>>>> When I was a child,
in Akron, the common practice was to burn<BR>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>
leaves<BR>>>>>>>>>>> in the street but along the
curb stones. Sometimes the piles of<BR>>>>>>>>>
leaves<BR>>>>>>>>>>
were<BR>>>>>>>>>>> so large that the fires would
become too large and would<BR>>>>> spread
to<BR>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>> treelawn. Then the fire
department would be called to put out<BR>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>
fires.<BR>>>>>>>>>>
It<BR>>>>>>>>>>> made for an exciting day or
evening. Ranking right up there<BR>>>>>
with<BR>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>
smell<BR>>>>>>>>>>> of burning leaves are also
the smell of coal smoke and the<BR>>>>> smell
of<BR>>>>>>>>>
fresh<BR>>>>>>>>>>> tar.............three of the
"little joys of life" now gone by<BR>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>
wayside.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:33 AM,
Dwight Long <<BR>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
Herb<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remember back in the
50s coming back to Beaver from<BR>>>>>
auto<BR>>>>>>>>> trips
to<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> the East that involved the
Pa Turnpikewe would use the<BR>>>>>>>>
Warrendale<BR>>>>>>>>>> exit
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> the back roads to
Beaver. Coming down into the (Beaver)<BR>>>>>
valley<BR>>>>>>>>> off
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> hill the whole floor of
the valley would be engulfed in leaf<BR>>>>>>>>
smoke.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> Unhealthy, they say, but it
sure did convey the impression<BR>>>>>
that<BR>>>>>>>>>
Autumn<BR>>>>>>>>>>
was<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> upon
us!<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dwight<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb
Brannon<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 20
October, 2013 10:36<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> To:
Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Phil asked about
music<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> You mentioned something
I really miss.............the smell<BR>>>>>
of<BR>>>>>>>>>
burning<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> leaves in
October.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 8:37
AM, DF Cramer <<BR>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:alto_trombone@hotmail.com">alto_trombone@hotmail.com</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, what have I been up
to? The beginning of the month I<BR>>>>>>>>>
performed<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Copland, Brahms,
& Dvorak with the Butler County<BR>>>>>
Symphony,our<BR>>>>>>>>
(my<BR>>>>>>>>>>
wife<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> plays cello) 28th
season with the ensemble. I am back at<BR>>>>>
IUP<BR>>>>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
delivered<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> two arrangements
of French Noels from the Baroque period to<BR>>>>>>>>>
begin the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> semester and
last week conducted a first reading of my
"The<BR>>>>>>>>>
Eternal<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
Flame",<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> a commemorative
piece for double trombone choir and<BR>>>>> narrator
I<BR>>>>>>>>>
wrote<BR>>>>>>>>>>
to<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> mark the 50th
anniversary of the Kennedy assassination.<BR>>>>> All
of<BR>>>>>>>>>
that<BR>>>>>>>>>>
will<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
be<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> performed on November
19 at the university. Next week I<BR>>>>>
perform<BR>>>>>>>>>
with<BR>>>>>>>>>>
IUP<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> brass & organ
faculty at Zion Lutheran in Indiana for<BR>>>>>>>>
Reformation<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Sunday<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the following
week we are doing Charlie Chaplin's "City<BR>>>>>>>>>
Lights"<BR>>>>>>>>>>
in<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Butler. Chaplin created
the musical score for this silent<BR>>>>>
film<BR>>>>>>>>> and
we<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
will<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> be showing the film
as we perform. (Side note: if you want<BR>>>>>>>>>
tickets<BR>>>>>>>>>> let
me<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> know as soon as
possible--I usually get 4 free
ones)<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, I
spent quality time with Ed at the<BR>>>>>
Alle-Kiski<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
Historical<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Society, led a
new operator training class at PTM, printed<BR>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>
stuffed<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> ballots for PTM,
and am going to the opera today to see<BR>>>>>
Aida<BR>>>>>>>>>>
(football<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
fan<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> alert--Franco Harris
is leading the Grand March in the<BR>>>>>
opera<BR>>>>>>>>>
today)<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> I spend lots of
time practicing and cleaning up leaves.
I<BR>>>>>>>>
mulch<BR>>>>>>>>>> some
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> burn others---yes we
are still permitted to burn
here.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you missed it--I
also performed at the PTM 50th<BR>>>>>
Anniversary<BR>>>>>>>>>>
luncheon.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the most
recent issue of PTM Trolley Fare, Fred<BR>>>>>
Schneider<BR>>>>>>>>>
took<BR>>>>>>>>>>
some<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> great
images.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis F.
Cramer<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/">http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 19 Oct
2013 05:49:49 -0700<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From: <A
href="mailto:pcc_sr@yahoo.com">pcc_sr@yahoo.com</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] still having
issues<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stereo-vision isn't
it Mr.Cramer! Soapbox opportunity;<BR>>>>>
make<BR>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>
most<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
it!<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have not recently
mentioned anything about your<BR>>>>>
concert<BR>>>>>>>>
or<BR>>>>>>>>>>
music<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
engagements.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find
them fascinating. Music is not at all unlike<BR>>>>>
laughter<BR>>>>>>>>>
is<BR>>>>>>>>>>
it;<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> both speak a universal
language.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes; BB are the last
posts I have seen. There was not<BR>>>>>
much<BR>>>>>>>>
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>
anything<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> before your BB
posts for several weeks. You mentioned a<BR>>>>>
book<BR>>>>>>>>
in<BR>>>>>>>>>>
relation<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this; please
tell more.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Phil<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
--------------------------------------------<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Sat, 10/19/13, DF Cramer <<A
href="mailto:alto_trombone@hotmail.com">alto_trombone@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] still
having issues<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "<A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>"
<<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Date: Saturday, October 19, 2013, 3:52
AM<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it seemed very
interesting that after<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I posted on the list, several emails came through. I<BR>>>>>
assume<BR>>>>>>>>>
people<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
were<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> responding with reply
all. I have received no posts from<BR>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>
list<BR>>>>>>>>>>
other<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> than those dealing
with Billy Baxter.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis F.
Cramer<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/">http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Pittsburgh...*<BR>>>>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In
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Pens<BR>>>>>>>>> Let's Go
Steelers<BR>>>>>>>>>
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