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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Herb</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">The speaker at the LBHS seminar Fri-Sat spoke
very presentable Pittsburghese. And he is a former HS English
teacher!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=hrbran@cavtel.net href="mailto:hrbran@cavtel.net">Herb Brannon</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">Western PA Trolley
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 28, 2013 7:48
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and
Coal</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Interesting is the use of "dawntawn" in one post. One is
very hard pressed<BR>to find anyone speaking in that formerly common
"Pittsburghese" form of<BR>speech. I noticed this when I moved back and
started checking out why the<BR>corruption of certain words is no longer heard
and found out, from a group<BR>of people now between 30 and 50 years old, that
the Pittsburgh Public<BR>Schools actually mandated that students be taught the
proper pronunciation<BR>of the language. It apparently worked. I have heard
only one person speak<BR>Pittsburghese, out of hundreds of people I have had
conversations with,<BR>since April, 2013.<BR><BR>Oh yes, also for
Fred.......what did you want me to delete without<BR>reading?? I saw nothing
in that short sentence that was life changing for<BR>me. I will be the judge
of what I read or delete.........thanks anyway.<BR><BR><BR>On Mon, Oct 28,
2013 at 6:56 PM, Fred Schneider <<A
href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net>wrote">fwschneider@comcast.net>wrote</A>:<BR><BR>>
Long befo. I thought Boggs and Buhl closed about 1950 because
my<BR>> mother's brother told a story of how he went to their going out of
business<BR>> sale to buy clothing for his kids
he had moved up to
Cheswick in the huge<BR>> Nov. 1950 storm. The story concluded
with the store forgetting to send<BR>> him the charge account bill and when
he called to ask where it was, all<BR>> their phones were
disconnected.<BR>><BR>> But this link claims it closed as a result of
the opening of North Hills<BR>> Mall in 1955 and the actual closure was in
1960.<BR>><BR>> <A
href="http://buhlplanetarium2.tripod.com/bio/boggsbuhl.htm">http://buhlplanetarium2.tripod.com/bio/boggsbuhl.htm</A><BR>><BR>>
Rosenbaums on Liberty Avenue dawntawn apparently also closed in
1960.<BR>><BR>> <A
href="http://www.lifeinwesternpa.org/viewDetail.asp?ID=56">http://www.lifeinwesternpa.org/viewDetail.asp?ID=56</A><BR>><BR>>
Gimbel's closed sometime in 1986 or 1987. The problem with having
family<BR>> that was in Pittsburgh back to the time of the Civil War is
someone always<BR>> told you of this or that connection. In
this case, it was an aunt of my<BR>> mom's who worked for Kauffman and
Bear, the firm that had the store at 6th<BR>> and Smithfield before
Gimbel's.<BR>><BR>><BR>> <A
href="http://departmentstoremuseum.blogspot.com/2010/06/gimbels-pittsburgh-pennsylvania.html">http://departmentstoremuseum.blogspot.com/2010/06/gimbels-pittsburgh-pennsylvania.html</A><BR>><BR>>
<A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimbels">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimbels</A><BR>><BR>>
<A
href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/army_arch/293068499/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/army_arch/293068499/</A><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
On Oct 28, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Dwight Long wrote:<BR>><BR>> ><BR>>
> Fred<BR>> ><BR>> > If you are talking about da Burgh, my
recollection is that both Boggs &<BR>> Buhls and Rosenbaum's went under
before Gimbels.<BR>> ><BR>> > But if you mean
Lancaster------------<BR>> ><BR>> > Dwight<BR>> >
----- Original Message -----<BR>> > From: Fred Schneider<BR>>
> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>> > Sent: Sunday,
October 27, 2013 12:16 PM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning
Leaves--and Coal<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Herb, I am
not insulting Adam Gimbel. I am using "cheap" in the<BR>>
English language sense, not the way the American's have adulterated it
to<BR>> mean "crappy" or "no good". It means economical, as in
the "cheap day<BR>> return ticket" in Britain
translated means the
bargain one day round trip<BR>> ticket.<BR>> ><BR>> >
Gimbels was the cheap (bargain) store but they were not in a position<BR>>
to compete with the likes of WalMart and it this area they were the
first<BR>> department store to fold. If I had to make a
comparison, it would be the<BR>> British Home Store
yes I have a favorite
shirt with a BHS label. That's<BR>> what happens when you vacationed
so many times in Britain.<BR>> ><BR>> > Sadly, Gimbels was
not only the economical store but locally they had<BR>> some of the worst
help too. He could not stay in business when WalMart or<BR>>
K-Mart had no help and he was paying for doofuses. I remember one
day I<BR>> went into the Gimbels store to buy something for my
wife. A friend who<BR>> was a PennDOT attorney was with
me. He had just returned from a vacation<BR>> in
Japan. I could not get any of the sales girls to wait on
me. They<BR>> were all having a hen party. So I lead
Gareth over until we were within<BR>> hearing range of the goofing off
sales clerks, and then looked at him and<BR>> said, "Is it true what you
told me
that in Japan the sales clerks<BR>> actually are hired to wait on
the customers?" He played it to the hilt<BR>> and those girls
went balistic. How dare you insult them by expecting them<BR>>
to work. They told us off at full volume. And
naturally, we went to<BR>> another store in the mall. I think I
saw some other customers evacuating<BR>> Adam Gimbel's store.<BR>>
><BR>> > I think there were some other problems
too. Each region operated<BR>> independently. My
charge card for Gimbels in Lancaster was only good in<BR>> the Philadelphia
region stores. It was not valid in Pittsburgh or<BR>>
Chicago. It might get immediate clearance for a temporary card
there but<BR>> I had to apply there if I wanted credit.<BR>>
><BR>> > Of course, doesn't matter. They are
gone.<BR>> ><BR>> > Saks? No such thing
here. Nearest is in King of Prussia. And
I<BR>> never heard of a Barneys
. New York store isn't it?<BR>>
><BR>> > Lancaster County, Pa., was an area that thrived
through the 1980s and<BR>> then crashed. For many years we had
lower wage rates than the national<BR>> average, which means it isn't the
place people who want really high wages<BR>> come but it might be where a
corporation wants to come to build a factory.<BR>> All through
the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, one company after another came here<BR>> to
exploit the cheap labor and the "Amish work ethic." The result was
a<BR>> doubling of the population from 1950 to 2000. But when you
stress the<BR>> local economy and push the unemployment rate down to half
the national<BR>> unemployment rate (it was actually as low here as 1.4
percent in the summer<BR>> of 1964), that puts extreme pressure on
wages. They rose. Unions become<BR>> popular.
So popular that one by one the factories close and the<BR>> corporations
decide we don't don't need this shit. This was a major<BR>>
garment manufacturing center
all those plants closed. Roughly
10,000<BR>> shoe, garment and textile jobs vanished. Those jobs
went first to Mexico<BR>> under the North American Free Trade Agreement and
then to China and<BR>> southeast Asia. A lot of
recreational vehicle plants were built here in<BR>> the 1980s
we decided
fuel is too expensive to tow those trailers so those<BR>> plant
closed. Armstrong once employed several thousand people here
making<BR>> linoleum and other resilient floor coverings
. they still do
it but in<BR>> right-to-work states and in new plants on one floor.
In the 1960s RCA had<BR>> about 3000 people building color TV sets here and
in Wilkes-Barre; then<BR>> they were introduced to
Sony. Hamilton Watch used to employ almost 2000<BR>>
people making watches
no one wants quality watches
the last remnant
of<BR>> the company was sold to a Swiss firm
they're "out of here" and
the<BR>> building is an apartment now. We still have
manufacturing but its about<BR>> half the number of workers we had in that
sector in 1970. We now have<BR>> unemployment over 6% and
routine shootings and burglaries as a means of<BR>> supporting each other
it's called income transfer. We no longer have<BR>> any
upper end stores. We don't have as many upper income people
today.<BR>> I guess they're in Dallas today. But at my age, no
reason to move.<BR>> ><BR>> > The sad thing about the crash
here, Herb, was unlike Pittsburgh, it<BR>> affected a young population to
begin with. When steel went down in 1982<BR>> in Pittsburgh, it
wasn't something new. They already had 20 years of<BR>> on-again,
off-again problems with the mills. Allegheny County's population<BR>>
was relatively stable after 1930 in the 1.4 to 1.6 million range.
It<BR>> actually began dropping from 1.629 million in 1960 to 1.450 million
before<BR>> the big collapse of steel in 1982
the kids were already
leaving home and<BR>> going where the jobs were. You cannot
have really high unemployment when<BR>> people go directly from working to
pensions
they are out of the labor<BR>> force.<BR>> ><BR>>
> But Lancaster was still growing rapidly when our crash
came. We had<BR>> 212,000 in 1940 and 423,000 in 1990 when
things began to soften, 471,000 in<BR>> 2000 and 519,000 in
2010. Part of the anomaly of a tapering economy along<BR>> with
growth is that we have also found ourselves within commuting distance<BR>>
of Philadelphia's suburban job market and now the same for the
northeastern<BR>> suburbs of Baltimore. For a while, until the
state began to decide they<BR>> didn't want workers, the northwestern part
of this county was also<BR>> attractive for people working in the state
capital
only 20 minutes away<BR>> on the train. Trouble is,
Herb, if that guy gets laid off in Philadelphia<BR>> he is still among the
6.5% unemployed in Lancaster. And, as you can see<BR>> from
those numbers, we have over 50,000 homes built in the last 40 years
.<BR>> not the same as someone who built a house in Pittsburgh in
1935. When<BR>> you have a couple who built a house in 1990 and
the area crashes and they<BR>> still have a mortgage, you have
problems.<BR>> ><BR>> > On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Herb
Brannon wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> >> Don't let Adam Gimble hear you
say that. Oh yes, I<BR>> forgot.............all<BR>> >> you
Lancaster people only shop at Barneys and Saks.<BR>> >><BR>>
>><BR>> >> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Fred Schneider
<<BR>> <A
href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net>wrote">fwschneider@comcast.net>wrote</A>:<BR>>
>><BR>> >>> Ah yes, Gimbels
the cheap department
store. But like so many others<BR>> >>> driven out of
business by K-Mart, WalMart, Target and so forth, it no<BR>> >>>
longer exists.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> My first introduction
to any form of electronic mail was a captive<BR>> >>> in-house
system that the state operated for its own departmental<BR>> >>>
operations. Today it's own system has been scrapped and it is using
the<BR>> >>> internet. But it was a fantastic system
that allowed us to get stuff<BR>> out<BR>> >>> of Harrisburg
the same day they got it
of course transmission was<BR>> >>>
excruciatingly slow.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> The earliest
memory I have of any such system, however rudimentary, was<BR>>
>>> the state Job Bank which would have been in the very early
1970s.<BR>> All job<BR>> >>> orders, referral and placement
transactions were scanned with a slow<BR>> speed<BR>> >>>
rotary drum scanner about the same number of lines as an old
television<BR>> >>> screen and then sent over telephone lines to
Harrisburg to be be<BR>> processed<BR>> >>> into the main frame
computer.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Hard to believe that, in
the space of forty years, we have gone from<BR>> that<BR>> >>>
to being able to send letters and photographs and drawings back and<BR>>
forth<BR>> >>> to buddies anywhere in the world in real
time. We can all remember<BR>> when a<BR>> >>>
letter to Europe took a week to be delivered and now, if we are both<BR>>
awake<BR>> >>> and near our computers at the same time, I can pass
a half dozen<BR>> e-mails<BR>> >>> back and forth to the same
person in Vienna or Berlin or rural eastern<BR>> >>> England
. as
we watch the postal service go bankrupt.<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 8:13 PM, Herb Brannon
wrote:<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>> John,<BR>>
>>>> There was a "kinda" Internet back in the early/mid 1980s. It
was<BR>> nothing<BR>> >>>> like we're using today,
however.<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> I had just bought a
brand new Commodore 64 complete system at Gimbles<BR>> in<BR>>
>>>> downtown Pittsburgh. Interesting that both Gimbles and the
Commodore<BR>> 64<BR>> >>>> have gone to the museum of
memories. My C64 was very "cutting edge"<BR>> for<BR>> >>>>
1983/84 inasmuch as I had the keyboard, monitor ( nothing more than a<BR>>
>>>> television set with only green and black color), dataset (for
programs<BR>> >>> and<BR>> >>>> storage on cassette
tape), two (mind you, two !) floppy disk drives<BR>> (so I<BR>>
>>>> didn't have to switch between program and data-storage disks
on only<BR>> one<BR>> >>>> disk drive), and a dot-matrix
printer with these little DIP switches<BR>> in<BR>> >>>
the<BR>> >>>> back which could be set to produce ten different
print styles, and a<BR>> >>> little<BR>> >>>>
rectangle shaped box which plugged into the back of the keyboard and<BR>>
was<BR>> >>>> called a "modem". For what I paid for all that
stuff I could have used<BR>> >>> that<BR>> >>>>
same dollar amount today and purchased three or four complete computer<BR>>
>>>> set-ups.<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>>
Anyway, I wanted to use this investment to its fullest so I signed up<BR>>
for<BR>> >>>> this service which was advertised as "connecting
computers and their<BR>> >>> users"<BR>> >>>> for
the purpose of transmitting "mail-like electronic messages" and<BR>>
>>>> providing "interest groups" on varying subject matter. It
was, for all<BR>> >>>> purposes, the beginning of the Internet.
The "Mail-like electronic<BR>> >>> message"<BR>>
>>>> service was called MCI Mail. You could send messages to other
users<BR>> who<BR>> >>>> were on this system and you could
also sent messages to people not on<BR>> the<BR>> >>>>
service via this MCI Mail in selected US cities. For people not hooked<BR>>
>>> into<BR>> >>>> the "network" via computer, the
messages went to a MCI facility<BR>> (located<BR>> >>>
in<BR>> >>>> several major cities, Pittsburgh included) and
were then delivered by<BR>> a<BR>> >>>> messenger to any
address in downtown Pittsburgh or the downtown area<BR>> of<BR>>
>>> the<BR>> >>>> other cities in the network. The
drawbacks were many, including the<BR>> >>>> messenger service,
the fact that only the downtown areas of several<BR>> major<BR>>
>>>> cities could be accessed via this service, and the cost. This
service<BR>> >>> last<BR>> >>>> only a few months
as more and more people and businesses began using<BR>> >>>>
computers and became connected.<BR>> >>>><BR>>
>>>> There were no photographs on this system, only plain text.
However, it<BR>> >>> was<BR>> >>>> the start of
what we have today and I'm happy that I was a part of it.<BR>>
>>>><BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> On Fri, Oct
25, 2013 at 11:00 PM, John Swindler <<BR>> <A
href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com">j_swindler@hotmail.com</A><BR>>
>>>> wrote:<BR>> >>>><BR>>
>>>>><BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>>>
In 1968/9 Point Park College had a relatively new IBM System 360<BR>>
>>> computer.<BR>> >>>>> It was a stand alone unit
about 5-6 feet high. An instructor said<BR>> that<BR>>
>>>>> the CPU took up less than a foot of this height - the
rest was empty<BR>> >>> space.<BR>> >>>>> This
was to fool purchasing agents who expected computers to be big<BR>>
and<BR>> >>>>> bulky. Miniaturization was already
occurring.<BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>>> Doubt if
you were thinking of using the internet in early 1980s,<BR>> Fred.<BR>>
>>>>> Mid-1990s, perhaps, but not 1980s.<BR>>
>>>>><BR>> >>>>> A problem in the 1980s was
the proliferation of computer<BR>> manufacturers<BR>> >>>
and<BR>> >>>>> non-compatible software. Also speed
even when there was a program<BR>> that<BR>> >>>>> could
convert from one language to another. We're talking 8086 and<BR>>
286<BR>> >>>>> chips. Today it seems that
instantaneous just doesn't seem fast<BR>> >>> enough.
I<BR>> >>>>> remember a LOTUS 1-2-3 spreadsheet. Enter
a bunch of data, tell it<BR>> to<BR>> >>>>> compute, then
go for a cup of coffee. It was used to produce the<BR>>
>>>>> Pennsylvania Mass Transit Statistical Report.<BR>>
>>>>><BR>> >>>>><BR>>
>>>>><BR>> >>>>>> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013
02:04:10 +0000<BR>> >>>>>> From: <A
href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</A><BR>>
>>>>>> To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>
>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>> Most of us from the
1970's have these computer stories, Fred. I<BR>> used<BR>>
>>> my<BR>> >>>>> first word processor in 1979 - a
Digital computer the size of a small<BR>> >>>>> refrigerator
with a 9" monochrome screen, plus a noisy daisy-wheel<BR>> >>>
impact<BR>> >>>>> printer. Hardly desktop, and no hard
drive - the word processing<BR>> >>> program<BR>>
>>>>> ran from an 8" floppy, and documents were stored on
another 8"<BR>> floppy.<BR>> >>>>> Those floppies had the
massive capacity of 840KB each. That Digital<BR>> >>>>>
computer cost $12,000, but it wasn't linked to anything, so in 1980<BR>>
the<BR>> >>>>> company bought a modem to connect to another
computer. That modem<BR>> cost<BR>> >>> $750.<BR>>
>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>> Bob.<BR>>
>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>> ----- Original
Message -----<BR>> >>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>> From: "Fred Schneider" <<A
href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">fwschneider@comcast.net</A>><BR>>
>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<BR>>
>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 7:48:16 PM<BR>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>
>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>> Bob,<BR>>
>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>> I can recall when
the state had a mammoth computer room in the L&I<BR>>
>>>>> Building in Harrisburg to handle all Employment Service
data<BR>> reporting<BR>> >>> and<BR>> >>>>>
all the Unemployment Claims
. huge place on a raised floor to<BR>>
>>> accommodate<BR>> >>>>> both the cabling and the
air-conditing ducts to keep the main frame<BR>> >>>>>
computers cool.<BR>> >>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>> Today I know what is sitting on my desk
each of
them
. has far<BR>> more<BR>> >>>>> power than what put
the man on the moon back in the 1960s. Probably<BR>>
>>> the<BR>> >>>>> computers in most of our cars
have more ooomph than that computer<BR>> that<BR>> >>>
put<BR>> >>>>> Armstrong on the moon.<BR>>
>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>> In the early 1980s,
I was the head of an occupational information<BR>> >>>>>
program in Pennsylvania to provide data to schools and anyone else<BR>>
who<BR>> >>>>> might need it
mostly for counseling
kids. The federal government<BR>> >>> wanted<BR>>
>>>>> it all done on main frame computers. In
Pennsylvania, we were<BR>> thinking<BR>> >>>>> about
doing it on desk top computers and passing out the information<BR>>
on<BR>> >>>>> floppy disks or linking them by this new
internet to desk tops in<BR>> >>>>> Harrisburg.
Washington told me that if we tried to do it that way,<BR>> we<BR>>
>>>>> would not be given any grant money. Obviously
someone who was<BR>> making<BR>> >>> main<BR>>
>>>>> frame computers had lobbied heavily to have things done
his way.<BR>> >>> Funny<BR>> >>>>> thing about
that
two years later, my successor told me that I had<BR>> been<BR>>
>>>>> right and we're doing it your way.<BR>>
>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>> It's not your
grandmother's Buick
.<BR>> >>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>> Fred<BR>> >>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Bob Rathke
wrote:<BR>> >>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>>
In 1965 I wrote and produced a slide presentation for training U.S.<BR>>
>>>>> Steel's customer service people in their offices around
the U.S. I<BR>> made<BR>> >>>>> several visits to
the Muriel St. facility to get background<BR>> information<BR>>
>>> on<BR>> >>>>> U.S. Steel's computer
capabilities. I remember being impressed with<BR>> the<BR>>
>>>>> building's climate controlled environment and the raised
floors to<BR>> >>>>> accomodate under-floor computer
cables.<BR>> >>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>> Today, an i-pad is probably more powerful that
the computer system<BR>> in<BR>> >>>>> that building in
1965.<BR>> >>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>> Bob<BR>> >>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>
>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>> From:
"Derrick Brashear" <<A
href="mailto:shadow@dementix.org">shadow@dementix.org</A>><BR>>
>>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<BR>>
>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:05:40 PM<BR>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and
Coal<BR>> >>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>>
it's a computer center<BR>> >>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct
22, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Bob Rathke <<BR>> <A
href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</A>><BR>>
>>>>> wrote:<BR>> >>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>> In the 1970's, USS's Muriel St. facility was
the Direct Mail<BR>> Center -<BR>> >>>>>>>>
computer operations, literature storage and fulfillment. If it's<BR>>
>>>>> still<BR>> >>>>>>>> there, I'm
not sure about its current function.<BR>>
>>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>> >>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>> From: "Herb Brannon" <<A
href="mailto:hrbran@cavtel.net">hrbran@cavtel.net</A>><BR>>
>>>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
<<BR>> >>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:14
PM<BR>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning
Leaves--and Coal<BR>> >>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>> It seems that back in the "big steel" days
the main producers of<BR>> >>>>> smoke and<BR>>
>>>>>>>> fire were the USS Homestead Works and just
about everything J & L<BR>> had<BR>>
>>>>>>>> operating.<BR>>
>>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>>> USS
also has some type of operation on Muriel Street in Southside.<BR>>
>>>>> I'm not<BR>> >>>>>>>> sure
what they do there, however. USS also has a research center<BR>> in<BR>>
>>>>>>>> Homestead still operating. Even with all
these operating<BR>> facilities,<BR>> >>>>> the<BR>>
>>>>>>>> number of people employed by USS comes
nowhere near what those<BR>> >>>>> facilities<BR>>
>>>>>>>> used to employ.<BR>>
>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>>> On
Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Dwight Long <<BR>> >>> <A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</A><BR>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:<BR>>
>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>> Herb<BR>>
>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>> But Irvin works is not a primary producer
but rather a rolling<BR>> mill<BR>> >>>>> (as<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> you said) and so would not generate the
"fire and brimstone" that<BR>> >>>>>>>>>
characterized a primary steel producer.<BR>>
>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>> I went by Clairton on a train in July and
did not notice any<BR>> smoke<BR>> >>> at<BR>>
>>>>>>>> all,<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> just some condensed water vapor. I
think the coking processes<BR>> are<BR>> >>> so<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> contained these days that very little
emissions emanate from it.<BR>> >>>>> Besides<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> environmental concerns, the steelmakers
have learned that the<BR>> >>>>> effluents<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> from the coke making process are valuable
by products that need<BR>> to<BR>> >>> be<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> trapped and sold. The days of the
beehive coke ovens that spewed<BR>> >>>>> all the<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> byproducts into the atmosphere are long
gone.<BR>> >>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>> Dwight<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:41
PM<BR>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning
Leaves--and Coal<BR>> >>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>> Bob R,<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> It still had that "orange glow" when I
first moved here in 1972.<BR>> >>>>> Plus,<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> when<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> atmospheric conditions were right, it
smelled like fire &<BR>> >>>>> brimstone,<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> everywhere. Even today, on humid
days, I still smell the "fire &<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> brimstone" coming from the Irvin Works
just over the hill (on<BR>> Camp<BR>> >>>>>>>>
Hollow<BR>> >>>>>>>>> Rd) to the south-east of
my place.<BR>> >>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>> Contrary to popular opinion steel is not
dead in Pittsburgh. The<BR>> >>>>>>>>
Clairton<BR>> >>>>>>>>> Works still produces
coke as it always did, the Edgar Thompson<BR>> >>>>>
Works<BR>> >>>>>>>>> makes<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> primary steel, the Irvin Works produces
rolled steel and the<BR>> >>>>> relatively<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> new<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> Mckeesport Tubular Works (old National
Works, now reopened) makes<BR>> >>>>>>>>
tubular<BR>> >>>>>>>>> products for the
Marcellus Shale drilling industry. So the<BR>> sulphur<BR>>
>>>>> and<BR>> >>>>>>>>>
fire<BR>> >>>>>>>>> & brimstone can still be
smelled on humid days and the orange<BR>> glow<BR>> >>>>>
is<BR>> >>>>>>>>> still<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> available in Braddock and
Clairton.<BR>> >>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Bob
Rathke <<BR>> <A
href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</A><BR>>
>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>> >>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> Driving south from Zelienople at
night in the 1950's you didn't<BR>> >>>>> need<BR>>
>>>>>>>> a<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> compass to locate Pittsburgh - the
sky there always had an<BR>> orange<BR>>
>>>>>>>> glow.<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: "John Swindler" <<A
href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com">j_swindler@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
<<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013
10:16:09 AM<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
[PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> Was chatting with some PTM visitors
yesterday, and among the<BR>> >>>>>>>>
"Pittsburg<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> smells" mentioned
was J&L sulfur smell upon exiting Squirrel<BR>> Hill<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> Tunnels<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> and heading downgrade to Brady St.
exit. They were old enough<BR>> >>>>> to<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> remember<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> air pollution from late 1940s -
(before my time).<BR>> >>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From: <A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</A><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:04:35
-0400<BR>> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo]
Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Herb<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In Beaver burning next to the
curb was OK on concrete streets<BR>> >>>>> (we<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> lived<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> on one) or brick ones (still several
left in the 50s) but not on<BR>> >>>>>>>>>
asphalt<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> nor tarred
ones!<BR>> >>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tar? When I was in first or
second grade I came home from<BR>> >>>>> school<BR>>
>>>>>>>> for<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> lunch. On the way back to
school the alley that I used as a<BR>> >>>>>
shortcut<BR>> >>>>>>>>> was<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> being freshly tarred. I
followed the tar dispensing truck,<BR>> >>>>>>>>
fascinated.<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> When I got to
school I was sent home immediately. I looked<BR>>
>>>>> like the<BR>> >>>>>>>>>>
proverbial tarbaby. Lots of turpentine and stiff scrubbing<BR>>
>>>>> later,<BR>> >>>>>>>>
and<BR>> >>>>>>>>> a<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> new suit of clothes, I returned and
was admitted.<BR>> >>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And we still had plenty of coal
furnaces in our town back then,<BR>> >>>>>>>>>
although<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> our house used
gas. I well recall the smell of the coal burning<BR>>
>>>>> on<BR>> >>>>>>>>>
cold<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> winter days whilst
delivering the Pittsburgh Press to my paper<BR>> >>>>>
route<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> customers. The
last time I encountered that smell was just a<BR>> few<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> years ago<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> in a suburb of Budapest while fotting
the trams there. Brought<BR>> >>>>> back<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> many<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> memories!<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dwight<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 21 October, 2013
10:48<BR>> >>>>>>>>>>> To: Western PA
Trolley discussion<BR>> >>>>>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When I was a child, in
Akron, the common practice was to burn<BR>> >>>>>
the<BR>> >>>>>>>>> leaves<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> in the street but along the curb
stones. Sometimes the piles of<BR>> >>>>>>>>>
leaves<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> were<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> so large that the fires would
become too large and would<BR>> >>>>> spread to<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> the<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> treelawn. Then the fire
department would be called to put out<BR>> >>>>> the<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> fires.<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> It<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> made for an exciting day or
evening. Ranking right up there<BR>> >>>>> with<BR>>
>>>>>>>> the<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> smell<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> of burning leaves are also the
smell of coal smoke and the<BR>> >>>>> smell of<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> fresh<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> tar.............three of the
"little joys of life" now gone by<BR>> >>>>> the<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> wayside.<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:33 AM,
Dwight Long <<BR>> >>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</A><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remember back in the
50s coming back to Beaver from<BR>> >>>>> auto<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> trips to<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the East that involved the Pa
Turnpikewe would use the<BR>> >>>>>>>>
Warrendale<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> exit and<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the back roads to
Beaver. Coming down into the (Beaver)<BR>> >>>>>
valley<BR>> >>>>>>>>> off the<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hill the whole floor of the
valley would be engulfed in leaf<BR>> >>>>>>>>
smoke.<BR>> >>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unhealthy, they say, but it
sure did convey the impression<BR>> >>>>> that<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> Autumn<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> was<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> upon us!<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dwight<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 20 October,
2013 10:36<BR>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To:
Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Phil
asked about music<BR>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You
mentioned something I really miss.............the smell<BR>>
>>>>> of<BR>> >>>>>>>>>
burning<BR>> >>>>>>>>>>>> leaves in
October.<BR>> >>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 8:37
AM, DF Cramer <<BR>> >>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:alto_trombone@hotmail.com">alto_trombone@hotmail.com</A><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, what have I been up
to? The beginning of the month I<BR>> >>>>>>>>>
performed<BR>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Copland, Brahms, & Dvorak with the Butler County<BR>>
>>>>> Symphony,our<BR>> >>>>>>>>
(my<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> wife<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plays cello) 28th season
with the ensemble. I am back at<BR>> >>>>> IUP<BR>>
>>>>>>>> and<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> delivered<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> two arrangements of
French Noels from the Baroque period to<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> begin the<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> semester and last week
conducted a first reading of my "The<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> Eternal<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Flame",<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a commemorative piece for
double trombone choir and<BR>> >>>>> narrator I<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> to<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mark the 50th anniversary
of the Kennedy assassination.<BR>> >>>>> All of<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> that<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> will<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> be<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> performed on November 19
at the university. Next week I<BR>> >>>>> perform<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> with<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> IUP<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> brass & organ faculty
at Zion Lutheran in Indiana for<BR>> >>>>>>>>
Reformation<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> Sunday<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the following week we
are doing Charlie Chaplin's "City<BR>> >>>>>>>>>
Lights"<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> in<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Butler. Chaplin created
the musical score for this silent<BR>> >>>>> film<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> and we<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> will<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be showing the film as we
perform. (Side note: if you want<BR>> >>>>>>>>>
tickets<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> let me<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know as soon as
possible--I usually get 4 free ones)<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, I spent
quality time with Ed at the<BR>> >>>>> Alle-Kiski<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Historical<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Society, led a new
operator training class at PTM, printed<BR>> >>>>>
and<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> stuffed<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ballots for PTM, and am
going to the opera today to see<BR>> >>>>> Aida<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> (football<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> fan<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> alert--Franco Harris is
leading the Grand March in the<BR>> >>>>> opera<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> today)<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I spend lots of time
practicing and cleaning up leaves. I<BR>>
>>>>>>>> mulch<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> some and<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> burn others---yes we are
still permitted to burn here.<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you missed it--I also
performed at the PTM 50th<BR>> >>>>> Anniversary<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> luncheon.<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the most recent issue
of PTM Trolley Fare, Fred<BR>> >>>>> Schneider<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> took<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> some<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> great images.<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis F. Cramer<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/">http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/</A><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 19 Oct
2013 05:49:49 -0700<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: <A
href="mailto:pcc_sr@yahoo.com">pcc_sr@yahoo.com</A><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo]
still having issues<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stereo-vision isn't
it Mr.Cramer! Soapbox opportunity;<BR>> >>>>>
make<BR>> >>>>>>>>> the<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> most<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> of<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it!<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have not recently
mentioned anything about your<BR>> >>>>> concert<BR>>
>>>>>>>> or<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> music<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> engagements.<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find them
fascinating. Music is not at all unlike<BR>> >>>>>
laughter<BR>> >>>>>>>>> is<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> it;<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> both speak a universal
language.<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes; BB are the last
posts I have seen. There was not<BR>> >>>>>
much<BR>> >>>>>>>> of<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> anything<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> before your BB posts for
several weeks. You mentioned a<BR>> >>>>> book<BR>>
>>>>>>>> in<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> relation<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this; please tell
more.<BR>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
--------------------------------------------<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10/19/13, DF
Cramer <<A
href="mailto:alto_trombone@hotmail.com">alto_trombone@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] still
having issues<BR>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To: "<A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>"
<<BR>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Saturday,
October 19, 2013, 3:52 AM<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it seemed very
interesting that after<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I posted on the list,
several emails came through. I<BR>> >>>>> assume<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> people<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> were<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> responding with reply
all. I have received no posts from<BR>> >>>>>
the<BR>> >>>>>>>>> list<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> other<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> than those dealing with
Billy Baxter.<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis F.
Cramer<BR>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/">http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/</A><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In
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>>>>>>>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In The
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>>>>>>>>> --<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> Herb Brannon<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In The
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>>>>>>>>> Let's Go Steelers<BR>>
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>>>>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*<BR>>
>>>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In The U.S.*<BR>>
>>>>>>>> Let's Go Pens<BR>>
>>>>>>>> Let's Go Steelers<BR>>
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