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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Fred</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">OK, you did. But you misspelled
Baer. Bear is someone up in Canada.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Kaufmann & Baer came about because of a
schism in the Kaufmann family. In turn Gimbels bought the building at 6th
and Smithfield that housed K&B.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">And now only Kaufmann a/k/a Macy's is
left.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=fwschneider@comcast.net href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">Fred
Schneider</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">Western PA Trolley
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 28, 2013 8:52
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] Pittsburgh Department
Stores</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I did not write that Kaufman's was at 6th and
Smithfield. I wrote Kauffman and Bear. I did misspell
Kaufman. But it was always on the northwest corner of 6th and
Smithfield. You want proof:<BR><BR>Look at the this 1929
map. <BR><BR> <A
href="http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?view=entry;cc=maps;entryid=x-29v10p05">http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?view=entry;cc=maps;entryid=x-29v10p05</A>
<BR><BR>Here is a photo that is more recent
<BR><BR>
<A
href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/army_arch/293068499/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/army_arch/293068499/</A><BR><BR>The
church is Smithfield United Church of Christ at 620 Smithfield Street, on the
north side of Smithfield, across from Gimbels. The picture was
taken from Mellon Square. <BR><BR>And it matches the street view
of the building in google earth at the same spot today.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On
Oct 28, 2013, at 7:47 PM, Dwight Long wrote:<BR><BR>> <BR>> Fred<BR>>
<BR>> Kaufman & Baer.<BR>> <BR>> But I don't understand the
reference to Kaufmans being at 6th and Smithfield. AFAIK it was always
at Diamond and Smithfield (and extending the whole block to Fifth).<BR>>
<BR>> What am I missing here?<BR>> <BR>> I forgot Frank & Seder,
another Pgh department store.<BR>> <BR>> But the real tragedy was the
loss of Joseph Horne's.<BR>> <BR>> Dwight<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Fred
Schneider <BR>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion <BR>>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 6:56 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo]
Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Long
befo. I thought Boggs and Buhl closed about 1950 because my
mother's brother told a story of how he went to their going out of business
sale to buy clothing for his kids
he had moved up to Cheswick in the huge
Nov. 1950 storm. The story concluded with the store forgetting to
send him the charge account bill and when he called to ask where it was, all
their phones were disconnected. <BR>> <BR>> But this link
claims it closed as a result of the opening of North Hills Mall in 1955 and
the actual closure was in 1960.<BR>>
<BR>> <A
href="http://buhlplanetarium2.tripod.com/bio/boggsbuhl.htm">http://buhlplanetarium2.tripod.com/bio/boggsbuhl.htm</A><BR>>
<BR>> Rosenbaums on Liberty Avenue dawntawn apparently also closed in
1960.<BR>> <BR>> <A
href="http://www.lifeinwesternpa.org/viewDetail.asp?ID=56">http://www.lifeinwesternpa.org/viewDetail.asp?ID=56</A><BR>>
<BR>> Gimbel's closed sometime in 1986 or 1987. The
problem with having family that was in Pittsburgh back to the time of the
Civil War is someone always told you of this or that connection.
In this case, it was an aunt of my mom's who worked for Kauffman and Bear, the
firm that had the store at 6th and Smithfield before Gimbel's.
<BR>> <BR>> <A
href="http://departmentstoremuseum.blogspot.com/2010/06/gimbels-pittsburgh-pennsylvania.html">http://departmentstoremuseum.blogspot.com/2010/06/gimbels-pittsburgh-pennsylvania.html</A><BR>>
<BR>> <A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimbels">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimbels</A><BR>>
<BR>> <A
href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/army_arch/293068499/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/army_arch/293068499/</A><BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Dwight
Long wrote:<BR>> <BR>>> <BR>>> Fred<BR>>> <BR>>> If
you are talking about da Burgh, my recollection is that both Boggs & Buhls
and Rosenbaum's went under before Gimbels.<BR>>> <BR>>> But if you
mean Lancaster------------<BR>>> <BR>>> Dwight<BR>>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>>> From: Fred Schneider <BR>>> To:
Western PA Trolley discussion <BR>>> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013
12:16 PM<BR>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>
<BR>>> <BR>>> Herb, I am not insulting Adam
Gimbel. I am using "cheap" in the English language sense, not the
way the American's have adulterated it to mean "crappy" or "no
good". It means economical, as in the "cheap day return ticket" in
Britain
translated means the bargain one day round trip ticket.<BR>>>
<BR>>> Gimbels was the cheap (bargain) store but they were not in a
position to compete with the likes of WalMart and it this area they were the
first department store to fold. If I had to make a comparison, it
would be the British Home Store
yes I have a favorite shirt with a BHS
label. That's what happens when you vacationed so many times in
Britain. <BR>>> <BR>>> Sadly, Gimbels was not
only the economical store but locally they had some of the worst help
too. He could not stay in business when WalMart or K-Mart had no
help and he was paying for doofuses. I remember one day I went
into the Gimbels store to buy something for my wife. A friend who
was a PennDOT attorney was with me. He had just returned from a
vacation in Japan. I could not get any of the sales girls to wait
on me. They were all having a hen party. So I lead Gareth
over until we were within hearing range of the goofing off sales clerks, and
then looked at him and said, "Is it true what you told me
that in Japan the
sales clerks actually are hired to wait on the customers?" He
played it to the hilt and those girls went balistic. How dare you
insult them by expecting them to work. They told us off at full
volume. And naturally, we went to another store in the
mall. I think I saw some other customers evacuating Adam Gimbel's
store. <BR>>> <BR>>> I think there were some other
problems too. Each region operated independently. My
charge card for Gimbels in Lancaster was only good in the Philadelphia region
stores. It was not valid in Pittsburgh or Chicago. It
might get immediate clearance for a temporary card there but I had to apply
there if I wanted credit. <BR>>> <BR>>> Of course,
doesn't matter. They are gone.<BR>>> <BR>>>
Saks? No such thing here. Nearest is in King of
Prussia. And I never heard of a Barneys
. New York store isn't
it? <BR>>> <BR>>> Lancaster County, Pa., was an
area that thrived through the 1980s and then crashed. For many
years we had lower wage rates than the national average, which means it isn't
the place people who want really high wages come but it might be where a
corporation wants to come to build a factory. All through the
1960s, 1970s, 1980s, one company after another came here to exploit the cheap
labor and the "Amish work ethic." The result was a doubling of the
population from 1950 to 2000. But when you stress the local economy and
push the unemployment rate down to half the national unemployment rate (it was
actually as low here as 1.4 percent in the summer of 1964), that puts extreme
pressure on wages. They rose. Unions become
popular. So popular that one by one the factories close and the
corporations decide we don't don't need this shit. This was a
major garment manufacturing center
all those plants closed. Roughly
10,000 shoe, garment and textile jobs vanished. Those jobs went
first to Mexico under the North American Free Trade Agreement and then to
China and southeast Asia. A lot of recreational vehicle
plants were built here in the 1980s
we decided fuel is too expensive to tow
those trailers so those plant closed. Armstrong once employed
several thousand people here making linoleum and other resilient floor
coverings
. they still do it but in right-to-work states and in new plants on
one floor. In the 1960s RCA had about 3000 people building color TV sets
here and in Wilkes-Barre; then they were introduced to
Sony. Hamilton Watch used to employ almost 2000 people
making watches
no one wants quality watches
the last remnant of the
company was sold to a Swiss firm
they're "out of here" and the building is
an apartment now. We still have manufacturing but its about half
the number of workers we had in that sector in 1970. We now
have unemployment over 6% and routine shootings and burglaries as a means of
supporting each other
it's called income transfer. We no
longer have any upper end stores. We don't have as many
upper income people today. I guess they're in Dallas
today. But at my age, no reason to move. <BR>>>
<BR>>> The sad thing about the crash here, Herb, was unlike Pittsburgh,
it affected a young population to begin with. When steel went down
in 1982 in Pittsburgh, it wasn't something new. They already had 20
years of on-again, off-again problems with the mills. Allegheny County's
population was relatively stable after 1930 in the 1.4 to 1.6 million
range. It actually began dropping from 1.629 million in 1960 to
1.450 million before the big collapse of steel in 1982
the kids were already
leaving home and going where the jobs were. You cannot have really
high unemployment when people go directly from working to pensions
they are
out of the labor force.<BR>>> <BR>>> But Lancaster was still
growing rapidly when our crash came. We had 212,000 in 1940 and
423,000 in 1990 when things began to soften, 471,000 in 2000 and 519,000 in
2010. Part of the anomaly of a tapering economy along with growth
is that we have also found ourselves within commuting distance of
Philadelphia's suburban job market and now the same for the northeastern
suburbs of Baltimore. For a while, until the state began to decide
they didn't want workers, the northwestern part of this county was also
attractive for people working in the state capital
only 20 minutes away on
the train. Trouble is, Herb, if that guy gets laid off in
Philadelphia he is still among the 6.5% unemployed in Lancaster.
And, as you can see from those numbers, we have over 50,000 homes built in the
last 40 years
. not the same as someone who built a house in Pittsburgh
in 1935. When you have a couple who built a house in 1990 and the
area crashes and they still have a mortgage, you have problems.
<BR>>> <BR>>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Herb Brannon
wrote:<BR>>> <BR>>>> Don't let Adam Gimble hear you say
that. Oh yes, I forgot.............all<BR>>>> you Lancaster
people only shop at Barneys and Saks.<BR>>>> <BR>>>>
<BR>>>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Fred Schneider <<A
href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net>wrote">fwschneider@comcast.net>wrote</A>:<BR>>>>
<BR>>>>> Ah yes, Gimbels
the cheap department store.
But like so many others<BR>>>>> driven out of business by K-Mart,
WalMart, Target and so forth, it no<BR>>>>> longer
exists.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> My first introduction to any
form of electronic mail was a captive<BR>>>>> in-house system that
the state operated for its own departmental<BR>>>>> operations.
Today it's own system has been scrapped and it is using
the<BR>>>>> internet. But it was a fantastic system
that allowed us to get stuff out<BR>>>>> of Harrisburg the same
day they got it
of course transmission was<BR>>>>>
excruciatingly slow.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> The earliest
memory I have of any such system, however rudimentary, was<BR>>>>>
the state Job Bank which would have been in the very early 1970s.
All job<BR>>>>> orders, referral and placement transactions were
scanned with a slow speed<BR>>>>> rotary drum scanner about the
same number of lines as an old television<BR>>>>> screen and then
sent over telephone lines to Harrisburg to be be processed<BR>>>>>
into the main frame computer.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> Hard to
believe that, in the space of forty years, we have gone from
that<BR>>>>> to being able to send letters and photographs and
drawings back and forth<BR>>>>> to buddies anywhere in the world
in real time. We can all remember when a<BR>>>>>
letter to Europe took a week to be delivered and now, if we are both
awake<BR>>>>> and near our computers at the same time, I can pass
a half dozen e-mails<BR>>>>> back and forth to the same person in
Vienna or Berlin or rural eastern<BR>>>>> England
. as we watch
the postal service go bankrupt.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 8:13 PM, Herb Brannon
wrote:<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>>
John,<BR>>>>>> There was a "kinda" Internet back in the
early/mid 1980s. It was nothing<BR>>>>>> like we're using
today, however.<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> I had just
bought a brand new Commodore 64 complete system at Gimbles
in<BR>>>>>> downtown Pittsburgh. Interesting that both Gimbles
and the Commodore 64<BR>>>>>> have gone to the museum of
memories. My C64 was very "cutting edge" for<BR>>>>>> 1983/84
inasmuch as I had the keyboard, monitor ( nothing more than
a<BR>>>>>> television set with only green and black color),
dataset (for programs<BR>>>>> and<BR>>>>>> storage
on cassette tape), two (mind you, two !) floppy disk drives (so
I<BR>>>>>> didn't have to switch between program and
data-storage disks on only one<BR>>>>>> disk drive), and a
dot-matrix printer with these little DIP switches in<BR>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>> back which could be set to produce ten different
print styles, and a<BR>>>>> little<BR>>>>>>
rectangle shaped box which plugged into the back of the keyboard and
was<BR>>>>>> called a "modem". For what I paid for all that
stuff I could have used<BR>>>>> that<BR>>>>>> same
dollar amount today and purchased three or four complete
computer<BR>>>>>> set-ups.<BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>> Anyway, I wanted to use this investment to its
fullest so I signed up for<BR>>>>>> this service which was
advertised as "connecting computers and their<BR>>>>>
users"<BR>>>>>> for the purpose of transmitting "mail-like
electronic messages" and<BR>>>>>> providing "interest groups"
on varying subject matter. It was, for all<BR>>>>>> purposes,
the beginning of the Internet. The "Mail-like electronic<BR>>>>>
message"<BR>>>>>> service was called MCI Mail. You could send
messages to other users who<BR>>>>>> were on this system and
you could also sent messages to people not on the<BR>>>>>>
service via this MCI Mail in selected US cities. For people not
hooked<BR>>>>> into<BR>>>>>> the "network" via
computer, the messages went to a MCI facility (located<BR>>>>>
in<BR>>>>>> several major cities, Pittsburgh included) and were
then delivered by a<BR>>>>>> messenger to any address in
downtown Pittsburgh or the downtown area of<BR>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>> other cities in the network. The drawbacks were
many, including the<BR>>>>>> messenger service, the fact that
only the downtown areas of several major<BR>>>>>> cities could
be accessed via this service, and the cost. This service<BR>>>>>
last<BR>>>>>> only a few months as more and more people and
businesses began using<BR>>>>>> computers and became
connected.<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> There were no
photographs on this system, only plain text. However, it<BR>>>>>
was<BR>>>>>> the start of what we have today and I'm happy that
I was a part of it.<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:00 PM, John Swindler
<<A
href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com">j_swindler@hotmail.com</A><BR>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> In 1968/9 Point Park
College had a relatively new IBM System 360<BR>>>>>
computer.<BR>>>>>>> It was a stand alone unit about 5-6 feet
high. An instructor said that<BR>>>>>>> the CPU took
up less than a foot of this height - the rest was empty<BR>>>>>
space.<BR>>>>>>> This was to fool purchasing agents who
expected computers to be big and<BR>>>>>>> bulky.
Miniaturization was already occurring.<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> Doubt if you were thinking of using the internet
in early 1980s, Fred.<BR>>>>>>> Mid-1990s, perhaps, but not
1980s.<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> A problem in
the 1980s was the proliferation of computer manufacturers<BR>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>>> non-compatible software. Also speed even
when there was a program that<BR>>>>>>> could convert from
one language to another. We're talking 8086 and
286<BR>>>>>>> chips. Today it seems that instantaneous
just doesn't seem fast<BR>>>>> enough.
I<BR>>>>>>> remember a LOTUS 1-2-3 spreadsheet. Enter
a bunch of data, tell it to<BR>>>>>>> compute, then go for a
cup of coffee. It was used to produce the<BR>>>>>>>
Pennsylvania Mass Transit Statistical Report.<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 02:04:10
+0000<BR>>>>>>>> From: <A
href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</A><BR>>>>>>>>
To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> Most of us from the 1970's have these
computer stories, Fred. I used<BR>>>>>
my<BR>>>>>>> first word processor in 1979 - a Digital
computer the size of a small<BR>>>>>>> refrigerator with a
9" monochrome screen, plus a noisy daisy-wheel<BR>>>>>
impact<BR>>>>>>> printer. Hardly desktop, and no hard
drive - the word processing<BR>>>>>
program<BR>>>>>>> ran from an 8" floppy, and documents were
stored on another 8" floppy.<BR>>>>>>> Those floppies had
the massive capacity of 840KB each. That Digital<BR>>>>>>>
computer cost $12,000, but it wasn't linked to anything, so in 1980
the<BR>>>>>>> company bought a modem to connect to another
computer. That modem cost<BR>>>>>
$750.<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>
Bob.<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>> -----
Original Message -----<BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> From: "Fred Schneider" <<A
href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">fwschneider@comcast.net</A>><BR>>>>>>>>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<BR>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>>>>>>>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 7:48:16 PM<BR>>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> Bob,<BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> I can recall when the state had a mammoth
computer room in the L&I<BR>>>>>>> Building in
Harrisburg to handle all Employment Service data reporting<BR>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>>> all the Unemployment Claims
. huge place on a
raised floor to<BR>>>>> accommodate<BR>>>>>>>
both the cabling and the air-conditing ducts to keep the main
frame<BR>>>>>>> computers
cool.<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>> Today I
know what is sitting on my desk
each of them
. has far
more<BR>>>>>>> power than what put the man on the moon back
in the 1960s. Probably<BR>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>> computers in most of our cars have more ooomph
than that computer that<BR>>>>> put<BR>>>>>>>
Armstrong on the moon.<BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> In the early 1980s, I was the head of an
occupational information<BR>>>>>>> program in Pennsylvania
to provide data to schools and anyone else who<BR>>>>>>>
might need it
mostly for counseling kids. The federal
government<BR>>>>> wanted<BR>>>>>>> it all done
on main frame computers. In Pennsylvania, we were
thinking<BR>>>>>>> about doing it on desk top computers and
passing out the information on<BR>>>>>>> floppy disks or
linking them by this new internet to desk tops in<BR>>>>>>>
Harrisburg. Washington told me that if we tried to do it that way,
we<BR>>>>>>> would not be given any grant money.
Obviously someone who was making<BR>>>>>
main<BR>>>>>>> frame computers had lobbied heavily to have
things done his way.<BR>>>>> Funny<BR>>>>>>>
thing about that
two years later, my successor told me that I had
been<BR>>>>>>> right and we're doing it your
way.<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>> It's not
your grandmother's Buick
.<BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> Fred<BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Bob Rathke
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>> In
1965 I wrote and produced a slide presentation for training
U.S.<BR>>>>>>> Steel's customer service people in their
offices around the U.S. I made<BR>>>>>>> several
visits to the Muriel St. facility to get background
information<BR>>>>> on<BR>>>>>>> U.S. Steel's
computer capabilities. I remember being impressed with
the<BR>>>>>>> building's climate controlled environment and
the raised floors to<BR>>>>>>> accomodate under-floor
computer cables.<BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> Today, an i-pad is probably more powerful
that the computer system in<BR>>>>>>> that building in
1965.<BR>>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>>
Bob<BR>>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> From: "Derrick Brashear" <<A
href="mailto:shadow@dementix.org">shadow@dementix.org</A>><BR>>>>>>>>>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<BR>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>>>>>>>>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:05:40 PM<BR>>>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and
Coal<BR>>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>>
it's a computer center<BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>> On
Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Bob Rathke <<A
href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</A>><BR>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> In the 1970's, USS's Muriel St.
facility was the Direct Mail Center -<BR>>>>>>>>>>
computer operations, literature storage and fulfillment. If
it's<BR>>>>>>> still<BR>>>>>>>>>>
there, I'm not sure about its current
function.<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> From: "Herb Brannon" <<A
href="mailto:hrbran@cavtel.net">hrbran@cavtel.net</A>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
<<BR>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:14
PM<BR>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning
Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> It seems that back in the "big steel"
days the main producers of<BR>>>>>>> smoke
and<BR>>>>>>>>>> fire were the USS Homestead Works
and just about everything J & L
had<BR>>>>>>>>>>
operating.<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> USS also has some type of operation
on Muriel Street in Southside.<BR>>>>>>> I'm
not<BR>>>>>>>>>> sure what they do there, however.
USS also has a research center in<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Homestead still operating. Even with all these operating
facilities,<BR>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>> number of people employed by USS
comes nowhere near what those<BR>>>>>>>
facilities<BR>>>>>>>>>> used to
employ.<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:53 PM,
Dwight Long <<BR>>>>> <A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
Herb<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> But Irvin works is not a primary
producer but rather a rolling mill<BR>>>>>>>
(as<BR>>>>>>>>>>> you said) and so would not
generate the "fire and brimstone"
that<BR>>>>>>>>>>> characterized a primary steel
producer.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> I went by Clairton on a train in
July and did not notice any smoke<BR>>>>>
at<BR>>>>>>>>>>
all,<BR>>>>>>>>>>> just some condensed water
vapor. I think the coking processes are<BR>>>>>
so<BR>>>>>>>>>>> contained these days that very
little emissions emanate from it.<BR>>>>>>>
Besides<BR>>>>>>>>>>> environmental concerns,
the steelmakers have learned that the<BR>>>>>>>
effluents<BR>>>>>>>>>>> from the coke making
process are valuable by products that need to<BR>>>>>
be<BR>>>>>>>>>>> trapped and sold. The
days of the beehive coke ovens that spewed<BR>>>>>>> all
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>> byproducts into the atmosphere
are long gone.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
Dwight<BR>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb
Brannon<BR>>>>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley
discussion<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October
21, 2013 10:41 PM<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
[PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Bob
R,<BR>>>>>>>>>>> It still had that "orange glow"
when I first moved here in 1972.<BR>>>>>>>
Plus,<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
when<BR>>>>>>>>>>> atmospheric conditions were
right, it smelled like fire &<BR>>>>>>>
brimstone,<BR>>>>>>>>>>> everywhere. Even today,
on humid days, I still smell the "fire
&<BR>>>>>>>>>>> brimstone" coming from the
Irvin Works just over the hill (on
Camp<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Hollow<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Rd) to the south-east of my
place.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Contrary to popular opinion steel
is not dead in Pittsburgh. The<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Clairton<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Works still produces coke
as it always did, the Edgar Thompson<BR>>>>>>>
Works<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
makes<BR>>>>>>>>>>> primary steel, the Irvin
Works produces rolled steel and the<BR>>>>>>>
relatively<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
new<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Mckeesport Tubular Works (old
National Works, now reopened) makes<BR>>>>>>>>>>
tubular<BR>>>>>>>>>>> products for the Marcellus
Shale drilling industry. So the sulphur<BR>>>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
fire<BR>>>>>>>>>>> & brimstone can still be
smelled on humid days and the orange glow<BR>>>>>>>
is<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
still<BR>>>>>>>>>>> available in Braddock and
Clairton.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM,
Bob Rathke <<A
href="mailto:bobrathke@comcast.net">bobrathke@comcast.net</A><BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> Driving south from Zelienople
at night in the 1950's you didn't<BR>>>>>>>
need<BR>>>>>>>>>>
a<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> compass to locate Pittsburgh
- the sky there always had an orange<BR>>>>>>>>>>
glow.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "John Swindler" <<A
href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com">j_swindler@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
<<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:09
AM<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning
Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> Was chatting with some PTM
visitors yesterday, and among the<BR>>>>>>>>>>
"Pittsburg<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> smells" mentioned
was J&L sulfur smell upon exiting Squirrel
Hill<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
Tunnels<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> and heading downgrade
to Brady St. exit. They were old
enough<BR>>>>>>>
to<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
remember<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> air pollution from
late 1940s - (before my time).<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: <A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:04:35
-0400<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo]
Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Herb<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Beaver burning next to
the curb was OK on concrete streets<BR>>>>>>>
(we<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
lived<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> on one) or brick ones
(still several left in the 50s) but not
on<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
asphalt<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> nor tarred
ones!<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tar? When I was in
first or second grade I came home from<BR>>>>>>>
school<BR>>>>>>>>>>
for<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> lunch. On the way
back to school the alley that I used as a<BR>>>>>>>
shortcut<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
was<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> being freshly
tarred. I followed the tar dispensing
truck,<BR>>>>>>>>>>
fascinated.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> When I got to
school I was sent home immediately. I looked<BR>>>>>>>
like the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> proverbial
tarbaby. Lots of turpentine and stiff
scrubbing<BR>>>>>>>
later,<BR>>>>>>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
a<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> new suit of clothes, I
returned and was admitted.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> And we still had plenty
of coal furnaces in our town back
then,<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
although<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> our house used
gas. I well recall the smell of the coal
burning<BR>>>>>>>
on<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
cold<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> winter days whilst
delivering the Pittsburgh Press to my paper<BR>>>>>>>
route<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> customers. The
last time I encountered that smell was just a
few<BR>>>>>>>>>>> years
ago<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> in a suburb of Budapest
while fotting the trams there. Brought<BR>>>>>>>
back<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
many<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
memories!<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dwight<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb
Brannon<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 21
October, 2013 10:48<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> To:
Western PA Trolley
discussion<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
[PRCo] Burning Leaves<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> When
I was a child, in Akron, the common practice was to
burn<BR>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
leaves<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the street but
along the curb stones. Sometimes the piles
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
leaves<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
were<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> so large that the
fires would become too large and would<BR>>>>>>> spread
to<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> treelawn. Then the
fire department would be called to put out<BR>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
fires.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
It<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> made for an exciting
day or evening. Ranking right up there<BR>>>>>>>
with<BR>>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
smell<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> of burning leaves
are also the smell of coal smoke and the<BR>>>>>>> smell
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
fresh<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
tar.............three of the "little joys of life" now gone
by<BR>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
wayside.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at
10:33 AM, Dwight Long <<BR>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:dwightlong@verizon.net">dwightlong@verizon.net</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Herb<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remember back
in the 50s coming back to Beaver from<BR>>>>>>>
auto<BR>>>>>>>>>>> trips
to<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the East that
involved the Pa Turnpikewe would use
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Warrendale<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> exit
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the back roads to
Beaver. Coming down into the (Beaver)<BR>>>>>>>
valley<BR>>>>>>>>>>> off
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill the whole
floor of the valley would be engulfed in
leaf<BR>>>>>>>>>>
smoke.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unhealthy, they say,
but it sure did convey the impression<BR>>>>>>>
that<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
Autumn<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
was<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upon
us!<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dwight<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb
Brannon<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday,
20 October, 2013 10:36<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To: Western PA Trolley
discussion<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject:
Re: [PRCo] Phil asked about
music<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mentioned
something I really miss.............the smell<BR>>>>>>>
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
burning<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaves in
October.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013
at 8:37 AM, DF Cramer <<BR>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:alto_trombone@hotmail.com">alto_trombone@hotmail.com</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, what have I
been up to? The beginning of the month
I<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
performed<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Copland,
Brahms, & Dvorak with the Butler County<BR>>>>>>>
Symphony,our<BR>>>>>>>>>>
(my<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
wife<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plays cello)
28th season with the ensemble. I am back at<BR>>>>>>>
IUP<BR>>>>>>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
delivered<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
arrangements of French Noels from the Baroque period
to<BR>>>>>>>>>>> begin
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> semester and
last week conducted a first reading of my
"The<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
Eternal<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Flame",<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
commemorative piece for double trombone choir and<BR>>>>>>>
narrator I<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
to<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mark the 50th
anniversary of the Kennedy assassination.<BR>>>>>>> All
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
that<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
will<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
be<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performed on
November 19 at the university. Next week I<BR>>>>>>>
perform<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
with<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
IUP<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brass &
organ faculty at Zion Lutheran in Indiana
for<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Reformation<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sunday<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
following week we are doing Charlie Chaplin's
"City<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
Lights"<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
in<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Butler. Chaplin
created the musical score for this silent<BR>>>>>>>
film<BR>>>>>>>>>>> and
we<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
will<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be showing
the film as we perform. (Side note: if you
want<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
tickets<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> let
me<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know as soon as
possible--I usually get 4 free
ones)<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than
that, I spent quality time with Ed at the<BR>>>>>>>
Alle-Kiski<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Historical<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Society, led a new operator training class at PTM,
printed<BR>>>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
stuffed<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ballots
for PTM, and am going to the opera today to see<BR>>>>>>>
Aida<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
(football<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
fan<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alert--Franco
Harris is leading the Grand March in the<BR>>>>>>>
opera<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
today)<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I spend
lots of time practicing and cleaning up leaves.
I<BR>>>>>>>>>>
mulch<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> some
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burn
others---yes we are still permitted to burn
here.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you
missed it--I also performed at the PTM 50th<BR>>>>>>>
Anniversary<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
luncheon.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the
most recent issue of PTM Trolley Fare, Fred<BR>>>>>>>
Schneider<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
took<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
some<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great
images.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis F.
Cramer<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/">http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 19
Oct 2013 05:49:49
-0700<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: <A
href="mailto:pcc_sr@yahoo.com">pcc_sr@yahoo.com</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] still having
issues<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stereo-vision
isn't it Mr.Cramer! Soapbox opportunity;<BR>>>>>>>
make<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
most<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
it!<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have not
recently mentioned anything about your<BR>>>>>>>
concert<BR>>>>>>>>>>
or<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
music<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
engagements.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
find them fascinating. Music is not at all
unlike<BR>>>>>>>
laughter<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
is<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
it;<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both speak a
universal
language.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes; BB are
the last posts I have seen. There was not<BR>>>>>>>
much<BR>>>>>>>>>>
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
anything<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before
your BB posts for several weeks. You mentioned
a<BR>>>>>>> book<BR>>>>>>>>>>
in<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
relation<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this;
please tell
more.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Phil<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
--------------------------------------------<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Sat, 10/19/13, DF Cramer <<A
href="mailto:alto_trombone@hotmail.com">alto_trombone@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject:
[PRCo] still having
issues<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "<A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>"
<<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Date: Saturday, October 19, 2013, 3:52
AM<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it seemed
very interesting that
after<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I posted
on the list, several emails came through. I<BR>>>>>>>
assume<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
people<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
were<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responding
with reply all. I have received no posts
from<BR>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
list<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
other<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than those
dealing with Billy
Baxter.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis F.
Cramer<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/">http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/</A><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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