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<DIV><FONT size=4>Fred</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>And as the rumour goes, a lot of girl friends as
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<DIV><FONT size=4>At any rate Liliane died from lead poisoning not far from
Fallingwater—self inflicted. Some accounts say it was from an overdose of
sleeping pills—accidental. This was 1952. He married Grace two years
later. They were only married for seven months before his death. So it is
Liliane that was a partner in designing and building Fallingwater. She was
also quite active in the Kaufmann’s store.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=fwschneider@comcast.net
href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">Fred Schneider</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 30 October, 2013 12:39</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] Pittsburgh Department
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what I could find on line, I think he had two wives. <BR><BR><BR>On Oct
30, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:<BR><BR>> Edgar Kaufmann's
wife was Liliane; Fallingwater is in Fayette County.<BR>> <BR>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>> From:
pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org<BR>>
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
Fred<BR>> Schneider<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:02 PM<BR>>
To: Western PA Trolley discussion; Dwight Long<BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo]
Pittsburgh Department Stores<BR>> <BR>> I had a charge card at Kaufmann's
until it became Macys. I went in one<BR>> night and the chap in
men's clothing told me he didn't have time to help me<BR>> . stocking shelves
was more important work than selling clothes to a<BR>> customer.
He told me to "Wait on yourself." I asked for the store<BR>>
manager and forced him to call the head office and cancel my credit
card.<BR>> He said, you can do it on line. I said, "No, you are
going to do it and<BR>> explain to your superiors why I am pissed
off." <BR>> <BR>> Back in 1931, when my mom graduated from
Margaret Morrison College at<BR>> Carnegie Tech., Mr. Kaufmann offered every
girl in her class that didn't<BR>> have employment, a job in his store . a
charitable thing. She worked for<BR>> the next four years for Mr.
Kaufmann. He understood merchandising much<BR>> better than his
successors. His name even said so. Kaufmann is German for<BR>>
salesman. But in deference to the department stores today, they
didn't<BR>> have much choice. The discounted retailers taught us
that price, not value<BR>> was all that really mattered. If you sell
shit cheap enough today, people<BR>> will buy it. <BR>> <BR>>
After I was married I discovered that my mom also had a friend from high<BR>>
school or college whose dad was the caretaker at Fallingwater. It
was only<BR>> after I visited the Edgar and Grace Kaufmann mansion in
Somerset County that<BR>> my mother let the cat out of the bag about Mr.
McConahay (spelling may be<BR>> wrong), and that she occasionally went out to
Fallingwater with Charlotte on<BR>> weekends when Kauffman wasn't
there. I imagine everyone involved is dead<BR>> now . my mother
and the girl friend would both have been born about 1909 and<BR>> the
caretaker would be at least 20 years older. Edgar died in 1955,
his<BR>> wife about 1957 . the caretaker in probably about the same
time. The<BR>> caretaker's daughter lived in Lexington Mass .
probably died in the 1980s or<BR>> 90s like my parents.
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:48 PM, Dwight Long
wrote:<BR>> <BR>>> <BR>>> Fred<BR>>> <BR>>> OK, you
did. But you misspelled Baer. Bear is someone up in
Canada.<BR>>> <BR>>> Kaufmann & Baer came about because of a
schism in the Kaufmann family. In<BR>> turn Gimbels bought the building
at 6th and Smithfield that housed K&B.<BR>>> <BR>>> And now only
Kaufmann a/k/a Macy's is left.<BR>>> <BR>>> Dwight<BR>>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>>> From: Fred Schneider <BR>>> To:
Western PA Trolley discussion <BR>>> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 8:52
PM<BR>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Pittsburgh Department Stores<BR>>>
<BR>>> <BR>>> I did not write that Kaufman's was at 6th and
Smithfield. I wrote<BR>> Kauffman and Bear. I did
misspell Kaufman. But it was always on the<BR>> northwest corner of 6th
and Smithfield. You want proof:<BR>>> <BR>>> Look at the
this 1929 map. <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>
http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?view=entry;cc=maps;<BR>>
entryid=x-29v10p05 <BR>>> <BR>>> Here is a photo that is
more recent.<BR>>> <BR>>>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/army_arch/293068499/<BR>>> <BR>>> The
church is Smithfield United Church of Christ at 620 Smithfield<BR>> Street,
on the north side of Smithfield, across from Gimbels. The
picture<BR>> was taken from Mellon Square. <BR>>>
<BR>>> And it matches the street view of the building in google earth at
the<BR>> same spot today.<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>>
<BR>>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:47 PM, Dwight Long wrote:<BR>>>
<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Fred<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Kaufman
& Baer.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> But I don't understand the
reference to Kaufmans being at 6th and<BR>> Smithfield. AFAIK it was
always at Diamond and Smithfield (and extending<BR>> the whole block to
Fifth).<BR>>>> <BR>>>> What am I missing here?<BR>>>>
<BR>>>> I forgot Frank & Seder, another Pgh department
store.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> But the real tragedy was the loss of
Joseph Horne's.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Dwight<BR>>>>
<BR>>>> <BR>>>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>>>
From: Fred Schneider <BR>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
<BR>>>> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 6:56 PM<BR>>>> Subject:
Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>> <BR>>>>
<BR>>>> Long befo. I thought Boggs and Buhl closed about
1950 because my<BR>> mother's brother told a story of how he went to their
going out of business<BR>> sale to buy clothing for his kids . he had moved
up to Cheswick in the huge<BR>> Nov. 1950 storm. The story
concluded with the store forgetting to send him<BR>> the charge account bill
and when he called to ask where it was, all their<BR>> phones were
disconnected. <BR>>>> <BR>>>> But this link claims it
closed as a result of the opening of North Hills<BR>> Mall in 1955 and the
actual closure was in 1960.<BR>>>>
<BR>>>>
http://buhlplanetarium2.tripod.com/bio/boggsbuhl.htm<BR>>>>
<BR>>>> Rosenbaums on Liberty Avenue dawntawn apparently also closed in
1960.<BR>>>> <BR>>>>
http://www.lifeinwesternpa.org/viewDetail.asp?ID=56<BR>>>>
<BR>>>> Gimbel's closed sometime in 1986 or 1987. The
problem with having<BR>> family that was in Pittsburgh back to the time of
the Civil War is someone<BR>> always told you of this or that
connection. In this case, it was an aunt<BR>> of my mom's who
worked for Kauffman and Bear, the firm that had the store at<BR>> 6th and
Smithfield before Gimbel's. <BR>>>> <BR>>>>
<BR>>
http://departmentstoremuseum.blogspot.com/2010/06/gimbels-pittsburgh-pennsyl<BR>>
vania.html<BR>>>> <BR>>>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimbels<BR>>>>
<BR>>>>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/army_arch/293068499/<BR>>>>
<BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>> On Oct 28,
2013, at 5:54 PM, Dwight Long wrote:<BR>>>> <BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> Fred<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> If you are
talking about da Burgh, my recollection is that both Boggs &<BR>> Buhls
and Rosenbaum's went under before Gimbels.<BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> But if you mean Lancaster------------<BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> Dwight<BR>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>>>>> From: Fred Schneider <BR>>>>> To: Western PA
Trolley discussion <BR>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:16
PM<BR>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and
Coal<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> Herb, I
am not insulting Adam Gimbel. I am using "cheap" in the<BR>>
English language sense, not the way the American's have adulterated it
to<BR>> mean "crappy" or "no good". It means economical, as in
the "cheap day<BR>> return ticket" in Britain . translated means the bargain
one day round trip<BR>> ticket.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>
Gimbels was the cheap (bargain) store but they were not in a position to<BR>>
compete with the likes of WalMart and it this area they were the first<BR>>
department store to fold. If I had to make a comparison, it would be
the<BR>> British Home Store . yes I have a favorite shirt with a BHS
label. That's<BR>> what happens when you vacationed so many times in
Britain. <BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> Sadly,
Gimbels was not only the economical store but locally they had<BR>> some of
the worst help too. He could not stay in business when WalMart
or<BR>> K-Mart had no help and he was paying for doofuses. I
remember one day I<BR>> went into the Gimbels store to buy something for my
wife. A friend who was<BR>> a PennDOT attorney was with
me. He had just returned from a vacation in<BR>>
Japan. I could not get any of the sales girls to wait on
me. They were<BR>> all having a hen party. So I lead Gareth
over until we were within hearing<BR>> range of the goofing off sales clerks,
and then looked at him and said, "Is<BR>> it true what you told me . that in
Japan the sales clerks actually are hired<BR>> to wait on the
customers?" He played it to the hilt and those girls went<BR>>
balistic. How dare you insult them by expecting them to
work. They told<BR>> us off at full volume. And
naturally, we went to another store in the<BR>> mall. I think I
saw some other customers evacuating Adam Gimbel's store.<BR>>
<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> I think there were some other problems
too. Each region operated<BR>> independently. My
charge card for Gimbels in Lancaster was only good in<BR>> the Philadelphia
region stores. It was not valid in Pittsburgh or Chicago.<BR>> It
might get immediate clearance for a temporary card there but I had to<BR>>
apply there if I wanted credit. <BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> Of course, doesn't matter. They are
gone.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> Saks? No such thing
here. Nearest is in King of Prussia. And I<BR>>
never heard of a Barneys.. New York store isn't it?
<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> Lancaster County, Pa., was an
area that thrived through the 1980s and<BR>> then crashed. For
many years we had lower wage rates than the national<BR>> average, which
means it isn't the place people who want really high wages<BR>> come but it
might be where a corporation wants to come to build a factory.<BR>> All
through the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, one company after another came here to<BR>>
exploit the cheap labor and the "Amish work ethic." The result was
a<BR>> doubling of the population from 1950 to 2000. But when you
stress the local<BR>> economy and push the unemployment rate down to half the
national<BR>> unemployment rate (it was actually as low here as 1.4 percent
in the summer<BR>> of 1964), that puts extreme pressure on wages.
They rose. Unions become<BR>> popular. So popular that one
by one the factories close and the<BR>> corporations decide we don't don't
need this shit. This was a major<BR>> garment manufacturing
center . all those plants closed. Roughly 10,000<BR>> shoe, garment and
textile jobs vanished. Those jobs went first to Mexico<BR>> under
the North American Free Trade Agreement and then to China and<BR>> southeast
Asia. A lot of recreational vehicle plants were built here
in<BR>> the 1980s . we decided fuel is too expensive to tow those trailers so
those<BR>> plant closed. Armstrong once employed several thousand
people here making<BR>> linoleum and other resilient floor coverings .. they
still do it but in<BR>> right-to-work states and in new plants on one
floor. In the 1960s RCA had<BR>> about 3000 people building color TV
sets here and in Wilkes-Barre; then<BR>> they were introduced to
Sony. Hamilton Watch used to employ almost 2000<BR>> people
making watches . no one wants quality watches . the last remnant of<BR>> the
company was sold to a Swiss firm . they're "out of here" and the<BR>>
building is an apartment now. We still have manufacturing but its
about<BR>> half the number of workers we had in that sector in
1970. We now have<BR>> unemployment over 6% and routine
shootings and burglaries as a means of<BR>> supporting each other . it's
called income transfer. We no longer have<BR>> any upper
end stores. We don't have as many upper income people
today.<BR>> I guess they're in Dallas today. But at my age, no
reason to move. <BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> The sad thing
about the crash here, Herb, was unlike Pittsburgh, it<BR>> affected a young
population to begin with. When steel went down in 1982 in<BR>>
Pittsburgh, it wasn't something new. They already had 20 years of
on-again,<BR>> off-again problems with the mills. Allegheny County's
population was<BR>> relatively stable after 1930 in the 1.4 to 1.6 million
range. It actually<BR>> began dropping from 1.629 million in 1960
to 1.450 million before the big<BR>> collapse of steel in 1982 . the kids
were already leaving home and going<BR>> where the jobs were. You
cannot have really high unemployment when people<BR>> go directly from
working to pensions . they are out of the labor force.<BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> But Lancaster was still growing rapidly when our crash
came. We had<BR>> 212,000 in 1940 and 423,000 in 1990 when things
began to soften, 471,000 in<BR>> 2000 and 519,000 in 2010. Part
of the anomaly of a tapering economy along<BR>> with growth is that we have
also found ourselves within commuting distance<BR>> of Philadelphia's
suburban job market and now the same for the northeastern<BR>> suburbs of
Baltimore. For a while, until the state began to decide they<BR>>
didn't want workers, the northwestern part of this county was also<BR>>
attractive for people working in the state capital . only 20 minutes away
on<BR>> the train. Trouble is, Herb, if that guy gets laid off in
Philadelphia he<BR>> is still among the 6.5% unemployed in
Lancaster. And, as you can see from<BR>> those numbers, we have
over 50,000 homes built in the last 40 years .. not<BR>> the same as
someone who built a house in Pittsburgh in 1935. When you
have<BR>> a couple who built a house in 1990 and the area crashes and they
still have<BR>> a mortgage, you have problems.
<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Herb
Brannon wrote:<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>> Don't let Adam
Gimble hear you say that. Oh yes, I<BR>>
forgot.............all<BR>>>>>> you Lancaster people only shop at
Barneys and Saks.<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Fred Schneider<BR>>
<fwschneider@comcast.net>wrote:<BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> Ah yes, Gimbels . the cheap department
store. But like so many<BR>> others<BR>>>>>>>
driven out of business by K-Mart, WalMart, Target and so forth, it
no<BR>>>>>>> longer exists.<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> My first introduction to any form of electronic
mail was a captive<BR>>>>>>> in-house system that the state
operated for its own departmental<BR>>>>>>> operations. Today
it's own system has been scrapped and it is using<BR>>
the<BR>>>>>>> internet. But it was a fantastic
system that allowed us to get stuff<BR>> out<BR>>>>>>> of
Harrisburg the same day they got it . of course transmission
was<BR>>>>>>> excruciatingly slow.<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> The earliest memory I have of any such system,
however rudimentary,<BR>> was<BR>>>>>>> the state Job Bank
which would have been in the very early 1970s.<BR>> All
job<BR>>>>>>> orders, referral and placement transactions were
scanned with a slow<BR>> speed<BR>>>>>>> rotary drum
scanner about the same number of lines as an old<BR>>
television<BR>>>>>>> screen and then sent over telephone lines
to Harrisburg to be be<BR>> processed<BR>>>>>>> into the
main frame computer.<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>
Hard to believe that, in the space of forty years, we have gone from<BR>>
that<BR>>>>>>> to being able to send letters and photographs
and drawings back and<BR>> forth<BR>>>>>>> to buddies
anywhere in the world in real time. We can all remember<BR>> when
a<BR>>>>>>> letter to Europe took a week to be delivered and
now, if we are both<BR>> awake<BR>>>>>>> and near our
computers at the same time, I can pass a half dozen<BR>>
e-mails<BR>>>>>>> back and forth to the same person in Vienna
or Berlin or rural eastern<BR>>>>>>> England .. as we watch
the postal service go bankrupt.<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at
8:13 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> John,<BR>>>>>>>> There was
a "kinda" Internet back in the early/mid 1980s. It was<BR>>
nothing<BR>>>>>>>> like we're using today,
however.<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>> I had
just bought a brand new Commodore 64 complete system at Gimbles<BR>>
in<BR>>>>>>>> downtown Pittsburgh. Interesting that both
Gimbles and the Commodore<BR>> 64<BR>>>>>>>> have gone
to the museum of memories. My C64 was very "cutting edge"<BR>>
for<BR>>>>>>>> 1983/84 inasmuch as I had the keyboard,
monitor ( nothing more than a<BR>>>>>>>> television set
with only green and black color), dataset (for<BR>>
programs<BR>>>>>>> and<BR>>>>>>>> storage
on cassette tape), two (mind you, two !) floppy disk drives<BR>> (so
I<BR>>>>>>>> didn't have to switch between program and
data-storage disks on only<BR>> one<BR>>>>>>>> disk
drive), and a dot-matrix printer with these little DIP switches<BR>>
in<BR>>>>>>> the<BR>>>>>>>> back which
could be set to produce ten different print styles, and
a<BR>>>>>>> little<BR>>>>>>>> rectangle
shaped box which plugged into the back of the keyboard and<BR>>
was<BR>>>>>>>> called a "modem". For what I paid for all
that stuff I could have<BR>> used<BR>>>>>>>
that<BR>>>>>>>> same dollar amount today and purchased
three or four complete<BR>> computer<BR>>>>>>>>
set-ups.<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>
Anyway, I wanted to use this investment to its fullest so I signed up<BR>>
for<BR>>>>>>>> this service which was advertised as
"connecting computers and their<BR>>>>>>>
users"<BR>>>>>>>> for the purpose of transmitting
"mail-like electronic messages" and<BR>>>>>>>> providing
"interest groups" on varying subject matter. It was, for<BR>>
all<BR>>>>>>>> purposes, the beginning of the Internet. The
"Mail-like electronic<BR>>>>>>>
message"<BR>>>>>>>> service was called MCI Mail. You could
send messages to other users<BR>> who<BR>>>>>>>> were on
this system and you could also sent messages to people not on<BR>>
the<BR>>>>>>>> service via this MCI Mail in selected US
cities. For people not<BR>> hooked<BR>>>>>>>
into<BR>>>>>>>> the "network" via computer, the messages
went to a MCI facility<BR>> (located<BR>>>>>>>
in<BR>>>>>>>> several major cities, Pittsburgh included)
and were then delivered by<BR>> a<BR>>>>>>>> messenger
to any address in downtown Pittsburgh or the downtown area<BR>>
of<BR>>>>>>> the<BR>>>>>>>> other cities
in the network. The drawbacks were many, including
the<BR>>>>>>>> messenger service, the fact that only the
downtown areas of several<BR>> major<BR>>>>>>>> cities
could be accessed via this service, and the cost. This
service<BR>>>>>>> last<BR>>>>>>>> only a
few months as more and more people and businesses began
using<BR>>>>>>>> computers and became
connected.<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>
There were no photographs on this system, only plain text. However,<BR>>
it<BR>>>>>>> was<BR>>>>>>>> the start of
what we have today and I'm happy that I was a part of<BR>>
it.<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:00 PM, John
Swindler<BR>> <j_swindler@hotmail.com<BR>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>> In
1968/9 Point Park College had a relatively new IBM System
360<BR>>>>>>> computer.<BR>>>>>>>>> It
was a stand alone unit about 5-6 feet high. An instructor said<BR>>
that<BR>>>>>>>>> the CPU took up less than a foot of
this height - the rest was empty<BR>>>>>>>
space.<BR>>>>>>>>> This was to fool purchasing agents
who expected computers to be big<BR>> and<BR>>>>>>>>>
bulky. Miniaturization was already
occurring.<BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> Doubt if you were thinking of using the
internet in early 1980s,<BR>> Fred.<BR>>>>>>>>>
Mid-1990s, perhaps, but not 1980s.<BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> A problem in the 1980s was the
proliferation of computer<BR>> manufacturers<BR>>>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>>>>> non-compatible software. Also
speed even when there was a program<BR>>
that<BR>>>>>>>>> could convert from one language to
another. We're talking 8086 and<BR>>
286<BR>>>>>>>>> chips. Today it seems that
instantaneous just doesn't seem fast<BR>>>>>>> enough.
I<BR>>>>>>>>> remember a LOTUS 1-2-3 spreadsheet.
Enter a bunch of data, tell it<BR>> to<BR>>>>>>>>>
compute, then go for a cup of coffee. It was used to produce
the<BR>>>>>>>>> Pennsylvania Mass Transit Statistical
Report.<BR>>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>>>
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 02:04:10 +0000<BR>>>>>>>>>>
From: bobrathke@comcast.net<BR>>>>>>>>>> To:
pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and
Coal<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> Most of us from the 1970's have these
computer stories, Fred. I<BR>> used<BR>>>>>>>
my<BR>>>>>>>>> first word processor in 1979 - a Digital
computer the size of a<BR>> small<BR>>>>>>>>>
refrigerator with a 9" monochrome screen, plus a noisy
daisy-wheel<BR>>>>>>>
impact<BR>>>>>>>>> printer. Hardly desktop, and no
hard drive - the word processing<BR>>>>>>>
program<BR>>>>>>>>> ran from an 8" floppy, and documents
were stored on another 8"<BR>> floppy.<BR>>>>>>>>>
Those floppies had the massive capacity of 840KB each. That
Digital<BR>>>>>>>>> computer cost $12,000, but it wasn't
linked to anything, so in 1980<BR>> the<BR>>>>>>>>>
company bought a modem to connect to another computer. That modem<BR>>
cost<BR>>>>>>> $750.<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Bob.<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> From: "Fred Schneider"
<fwschneider@comcast.net><BR>>>>>>>>>> To:
"Western PA Trolley discussion" <<BR>>>>>>>>>
pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR>>>>>>>>>>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 7:48:16
PM<BR>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning
Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Bob,<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> I can recall when the state had a
mammoth computer room in the L&I<BR>>>>>>>>>
Building in Harrisburg to handle all Employment Service data<BR>>
reporting<BR>>>>>>> and<BR>>>>>>>>>
all the Unemployment Claims .. huge place on a raised floor
to<BR>>>>>>> accommodate<BR>>>>>>>>>
both the cabling and the air-conditing ducts to keep the main
frame<BR>>>>>>>>> computers
cool.<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> Today I know what is sitting on my desk
. each of them .. has far<BR>> more<BR>>>>>>>>> power
than what put the man on the moon back in the 1960s.<BR>>
Probably<BR>>>>>>> the<BR>>>>>>>>>
computers in most of our cars have more ooomph than that computer<BR>>
that<BR>>>>>>> put<BR>>>>>>>>>
Armstrong on the moon.<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> In the early 1980s, I was the head of
an occupational information<BR>>>>>>>>> program in
Pennsylvania to provide data to schools and anyone else<BR>>
who<BR>>>>>>>>> might need it . mostly for counseling
kids. The federal government<BR>>>>>>>
wanted<BR>>>>>>>>> it all done on main frame
computers. In Pennsylvania, we were<BR>>
thinking<BR>>>>>>>>> about doing it on desk top
computers and passing out the information<BR>>
on<BR>>>>>>>>> floppy disks or linking them by this new
internet to desk tops in<BR>>>>>>>>>
Harrisburg. Washington told me that if we tried to do it that
way,<BR>> we<BR>>>>>>>>> would not be given any grant
money. Obviously someone who was<BR>>
making<BR>>>>>>> main<BR>>>>>>>>>
frame computers had lobbied heavily to have things done his
way.<BR>>>>>>> Funny<BR>>>>>>>>> thing
about that . two years later, my successor told me that I had<BR>>
been<BR>>>>>>>>> right and we're doing it your
way.<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> It's not your grandmother's
Buick..<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Fred<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Bob Rathke
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> In 1965 I wrote and produced a
slide presentation for training<BR>> U.S.<BR>>>>>>>>>
Steel's customer service people in their offices around the U.S. I<BR>>
made<BR>>>>>>>>> several visits to the Muriel St.
facility to get background<BR>> information<BR>>>>>>>
on<BR>>>>>>>>> U.S. Steel's computer capabilities.
I remember being impressed with<BR>> the<BR>>>>>>>>>
building's climate controlled environment and the raised floors
to<BR>>>>>>>>> accomodate under-floor computer
cables.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Today, an i-pad is probably more
powerful that the computer system<BR>> in<BR>>>>>>>>>
that building in 1965.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
Bob<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Derrick Brashear"
<shadow@dementix.org><BR>>>>>>>>>>> To:
"Western PA Trolley discussion" <<BR>>>>>>>>>
pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:05:40
PM<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning
Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> it's a computer
center<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:46 AM,
Bob Rathke<BR>>
<bobrathke@comcast.net><BR>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> In the 1970's, USS's Muriel St.
facility was the Direct Mail<BR>> Center
-<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> computer operations,
literature storage and fulfillment. If
it's<BR>>>>>>>>>
still<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> there, I'm not sure about
its current function.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Herb Brannon"
<hrbran@cavtel.net><BR>>>>>>>>>>>> To:
"Western PA Trolley discussion"
<<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:14
PM<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning
Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems that back in the "big
steel" days the main producers of<BR>>>>>>>>> smoke
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> fire were the USS Homestead
Works and just about everything J & L<BR>>
had<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
operating.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> USS also has some type of
operation on Muriel Street in<BR>>
Southside.<BR>>>>>>>>> I'm
not<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> sure what they do there,
however. USS also has a research center<BR>>
in<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> Homestead still operating.
Even with all these operating<BR>>
facilities,<BR>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> number of people employed by
USS comes nowhere near what those<BR>>>>>>>>>
facilities<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> used to
employ.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:53
PM, Dwight Long <<BR>>>>>>>
dwightlong@verizon.net<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Herb<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Irvin works is not a
primary producer but rather a rolling<BR>>
mill<BR>>>>>>>>>
(as<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> you said) and so would
not generate the "fire and brimstone"<BR>>
that<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> characterized a primary
steel producer.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> I went by Clairton on a
train in July and did not notice any<BR>> smoke<BR>>>>>>>
at<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
all,<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> just some condensed
water vapor. I think the coking processes<BR>>
are<BR>>>>>>>
so<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> contained these days that
very little emissions emanate from it.<BR>>>>>>>>>
Besides<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> environmental
concerns, the steelmakers have learned that
the<BR>>>>>>>>>
effluents<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the coke
making process are valuable by products that need<BR>>
to<BR>>>>>>>
be<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> trapped and sold.
The days of the beehive coke ovens that<BR>>
spewed<BR>>>>>>>>> all
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> byproducts into the
atmosphere are long gone.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dwight<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original
Message -----<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb
Brannon<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Western PA
Trolley discussion<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent:
Monday, October 21, 2013 10:41
PM<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo]
Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bob
R,<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> It still had that "orange
glow" when I first moved here in 1972.<BR>>>>>>>>>
Plus,<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
when<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> atmospheric conditions
were right, it smelled like fire &<BR>>>>>>>>>
brimstone,<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> everywhere. Even
today, on humid days, I still smell the "fire<BR>>
&<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> brimstone" coming from
the Irvin Works just over the hill (on<BR>>
Camp<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hollow<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rd) to the south-east
of my place.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contrary to popular opinion
steel is not dead in Pittsburgh.
The<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
Clairton<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works still
produces coke as it always did, the Edgar
Thompson<BR>>>>>>>>>
Works<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
makes<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> primary steel, the
Irvin Works produces rolled steel and the<BR>>>>>>>>>
relatively<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
new<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mckeesport Tubular Works
(old National Works, now reopened)<BR>>
makes<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
tubular<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> products for the
Marcellus Shale drilling industry. So the<BR>>
sulphur<BR>>>>>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
fire<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> & brimstone can
still be smelled on humid days and the orange<BR>>
glow<BR>>>>>>>>>
is<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
still<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> available in Braddock
and Clairton.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at
2:46 PM, Bob Rathke<BR>>
<bobrathke@comcast.net<BR>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Driving south from
Zelienople at night in the 1950's you didn't<BR>>>>>>>>>
need<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
a<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compass to locate
Pittsburgh - the sky there always had an<BR>>
orange<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
glow.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "John Swindler"
<j_swindler@hotmail.com><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
<<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:09
AM<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo]
Burning Leaves--and Coal<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was chatting with some
PTM visitors yesterday, and among
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
"Pittsburg<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smells"
mentioned was J&L sulfur smell upon exiting Squirrel<BR>>
Hill<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Tunnels<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and heading
downgrade to Brady St. exit. They were old
enough<BR>>>>>>>>>
to<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
remember<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> air pollution
from late 1940s - (before my
time).<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From:
dwightlong@verizon.net<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To:
pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:04:35
-0400<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
[PRCo] Burning Leaves--and
Coal<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Herb<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Beaver burning
next to the curb was OK on concrete streets<BR>>>>>>>>>
(we<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
lived<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on one) or brick
ones (still several left in the 50s) but not<BR>>
on<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
asphalt<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nor tarred
ones!<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tar? When I
was in first or second grade I came home
from<BR>>>>>>>>>
school<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
for<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lunch. On the
way back to school the alley that I used as
a<BR>>>>>>>>>
shortcut<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
was<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being freshly
tarred. I followed the tar dispensing
truck,<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
fascinated.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I got
to school I was sent home immediately. I
looked<BR>>>>>>>>> like
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proverbial
tarbaby. Lots of turpentine and stiff
scrubbing<BR>>>>>>>>>
later,<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
a<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new suit of clothes, I
returned and was
admitted.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And we still had
plenty of coal furnaces in our town back<BR>>
then,<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
although<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our house used
gas. I well recall the smell of the coal<BR>>
burning<BR>>>>>>>>>
on<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
cold<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> winter days whilst
delivering the Pittsburgh Press to my paper<BR>>>>>>>>>
route<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> customers.
The last time I encountered that smell was just a<BR>>
few<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> years
ago<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a suburb of
Budapest while fotting the trams there.
Brought<BR>>>>>>>>>
back<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
many<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
memories!<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dwight<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb
Brannon<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent:
Monday, 21 October, 2013
10:48<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Western PA
Trolley discussion<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning
Leaves<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I was a
child, in Akron, the common practice was to
burn<BR>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
leaves<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the street
but along the curb stones. Sometimes the piles<BR>>
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
leaves<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
were<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so large that
the fires would become too large and would<BR>>>>>>>>>
spread to<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treelawn. Then
the fire department would be called to put
out<BR>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
fires.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made for an
exciting day or evening. Ranking right up
there<BR>>>>>>>>>
with<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
smell<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of burning
leaves are also the smell of coal smoke and
the<BR>>>>>>>>> smell
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
fresh<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
tar.............three of the "little joys of life" now gone
by<BR>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
wayside.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21,
2013 at 10:33 AM, Dwight Long
<<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
dwightlong@verizon.net<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Herb<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remember
back in the 50s coming back to Beaver from<BR>>>>>>>>>
auto<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> trips
to<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the East that
involved the Pa Turnpike-we would use
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
Warrendale<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exit
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the back
roads to Beaver. Coming down into the
(Beaver)<BR>>>>>>>>>
valley<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill the
whole floor of the valley would be engulfed in
leaf<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
smoke.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unhealthy, they
say, but it sure did convey the impression<BR>>>>>>>>>
that<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Autumn<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
was<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upon
us!<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dwight<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb
Brannon<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent:
Sunday, 20 October, 2013
10:36<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To:
Western PA Trolley
discussion<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Phil asked about
music<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
mentioned something I really miss.............the
smell<BR>>>>>>>>>
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
burning<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaves
in October.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20,
2013 at 8:37 AM, DF Cramer
<<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
alto_trombone@hotmail.com<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, what
have I been up to? The beginning of the month
I<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
performed<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Copland, Brahms, & Dvorak with the Butler
County<BR>>>>>>>>>
Symphony,our<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
(my<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
wife<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plays
cello) 28th season with the ensemble. I am back
at<BR>>>>>>>>>
IUP<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
delivered<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
two arrangements of French Noels from the Baroque period
to<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> begin
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> semester
and last week conducted a first reading of my
"The<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Eternal<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Flame",<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
commemorative piece for double trombone choir
and<BR>>>>>>>>> narrator
I<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
to<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mark the
50th anniversary of the Kennedy
assassination.<BR>>>>>>>>> All
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
that<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
will<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
be<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performed
on November 19 at the university. Next week
I<BR>>>>>>>>>
perform<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
with<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
IUP<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brass
& organ faculty at Zion Lutheran in Indiana
for<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
Reformation<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sunday<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
the following week we are doing Charlie Chaplin's
"City<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Lights"<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
in<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Butler.
Chaplin created the musical score for this
silent<BR>>>>>>>>>
film<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
we<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
will<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
showing the film as we perform. (Side note: if you
want<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
tickets<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let
me<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know as
soon as possible--I usually get 4 free
ones)<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other
than that, I spent quality time with Ed at
the<BR>>>>>>>>>
Alle-Kiski<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Historical<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Society, led a new operator training class at PTM,
printed<BR>>>>>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
stuffed<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
ballots for PTM, and am going to the opera today to
see<BR>>>>>>>>>
Aida<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(football<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
fan<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
alert--Franco Harris is leading the Grand March in
the<BR>>>>>>>>>
opera<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
today)<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
spend lots of time practicing and cleaning up leaves.
I<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
mulch<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burn
others---yes we are still permitted to burn
here.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you
missed it--I also performed at the PTM 50th<BR>>>>>>>>>
Anniversary<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
luncheon.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
See the most recent issue of PTM Trolley Fare,
Fred<BR>>>>>>>>>
Schneider<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
took<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
some<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great
images.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dennis F.
Cramer<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date:
Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:49:49
-0700<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From:
pcc_sr@yahoo.com<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To:
pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] still having
issues<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Stereo-vision isn't it Mr.Cramer! Soapbox
opportunity;<BR>>>>>>>>>
make<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
most<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
it!<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
have not recently mentioned anything about
your<BR>>>>>>>>>
concert<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
or<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
music<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
engagements.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I find them fascinating. Music is not at all
unlike<BR>>>>>>>>>
laughter<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
is<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
it;<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both
speak a universal
language.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes; BB
are the last posts I have seen. There was
not<BR>>>>>>>>>
much<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
anything<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
before your BB posts for several weeks. You mentioned
a<BR>>>>>>>>>
book<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
in<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
relation<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
this; please tell
more.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Phil<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
--------------------------------------------<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Sat, 10/19/13, DF Cramer
<alto_trombone@hotmail.com><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Subject: [PRCo] still having
issues<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To: "pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org"
<<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Date: Saturday, October 19, 2013, 3:52
AM<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
seemed very interesting that
after<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
posted on the list, several emails came through.
I<BR>>>>>>>>>
assume<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
people<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
were<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
responding with reply all. I have received no posts
from<BR>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
list<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
other<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
those dealing with Billy
Baxter.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis
F.
Cramer<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Brannon<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In
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U.S.*<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's Go
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Brannon<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In
Pittsburgh...*<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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U.S.*<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's Go
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Brannon<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In
Pittsburgh...*<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>> *......the
Greatest City In The U.S.*<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Steelers<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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