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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Fred</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Elmer was just a kid, or barely more than a
kid, back then, but I guess he learned well from those years.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=fwschneider@comcast.net href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">Fred
Schneider</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">Western PA Trolley
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 11, 2013 3:10
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] First Harmony Car
Enters Pittsburg</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Might be popular on Halloween, right? If my
calculations are correct, they have more than enough cars. They
have something like 60 cars and need about 30. That leaves a few to
convert. NOPSI, back in 1958, had 88 cars and
scheduled 85
that left one in the shop and one spare in each of the two
barns. <BR><BR><BR>On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:48 PM, Dwight Long
wrote:<BR><BR>> <BR>> Fred<BR>> <BR>> What? Folks in the
NOLA cemeteries are not riding the cars?<BR>> <BR>> Perhaps the transit
agency there should rebuild one of the Perley A Thomas cars into a funeral
car.<BR>> <BR>> Dwight<BR>> <BR>> From: Fred Schneider <BR>>
Sent: Saturday, 09 November, 2013 16:24<BR>> To: Western PA Trolley
discussion <BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] First Harmony Car Enters
Pittsburg<BR>> Herb:<BR>> <BR>> Are you telling us that building a
trolley line in the bottom of a fish bowl is "the bright side?"
:<) <BR>> <BR>> The last time I looked at the "other
side" of Canal Street, many of the homes were still vacant after the
hurricane. The 2010 census showed that almost 30 percent of the
residents had not returned since the deluge. <BR>> <BR>> The
peak population in New Orleans was the 1960 census (627,525). Then
we began telling the southern whites that they had to be nice to southern
blacks and they didn't take that very well. In the 1960s, New Orleans
last 10% of its residents. The western suburbs became white and eastern
'burbs became black. By 2010 the city was down to 343,829.
That 46% drop is far from the worst
. Pittsburgh, Buffalo, St. Louis,
Cleveland, Detroit are all far worse but they happened because of industrial
losses while New Orleans is more related to racial and flooding
issues. <BR>> <BR>> Herb, I have no idea how many people are
riding the cars today compared to years ago. But I can give you
some schedule information. When I first visited New Orleans in
1958, Canal Street required 50 cars in order to provide a 45 second rush hour
headway with standing loads. It was basically a moving
sidewalk. Off peak headways were around 3 minutes.
<BR>> <BR>> Today Canal requires 2 cars off peak for a 30 minute headway
and 4 cars in the peak for a 16 minute headway. Now, to be completely
honest, we have to intermingle the Museum of Art - Canal cars that also run
every half hour with no rush hour additional frequency. So the
maximum demand is 6 cars where we once needed 50. <BR>>
<BR>> St Charles required 35 cars in 1958. I think it had
something on the order of a 2 minute rush hour headway about 5 or 6 minutes
off peak back in 1958-59. Today it's stronger than
Canal. It takes an hour round trip and runs a 6 minute rush and 7
minute off peak headway. Might have something to do with people in
a university are more likely to ride than the people in the cemeteries and
also the fact that downtown retailing moved to the malls
Maison Blanche
department store on Canal St. is now a hotel. So it needs 10 cars
for the rush today.<BR>> <BR>> The new Loyola line currently has two
cars scheduled on weekdays, every 20 minutes from 6 am to 9 pm and then they
lengthen the layover at the ends of the line to save the power bill
schedule
drops to 30 minutes. They are running it all the way to Harrah's
Casino rather than turning it back at Loyola and Canal.
Why? Probably in the hope that someone might ride. My
guess is they might be hauling 800 people a day but there is nothing on line
to confirm
.<BR>> <BR>> There is data in the APTA file that shows the
New Orleans RTA is hauling fewer rail passengers this year than they did
before the new line opened. I did not choose to look at the first
quarter because the Loyola line opened in January and that means February and
maybe March could be disrupted. I gave them a couple of
months. What they reported to APTA shows more bus riders in the
2nd quarter of 2013 than in the 2nd quarter of 2012 and fewer trolley
riders<BR>> <BR>> 2012 trolley 3.550
million, total 8.504 million
trolley was 43.2% of the
total.<BR>> 2013 trolley was 3.447 million,
total was 9.112 million
trolley was 37.8% of their total.<BR>> <BR>>
This could suggest that the new car line is having little if any
success. It could also suggest that the flood neighborhoods on bus
routes are also finally recovering. <BR>> <BR>> I wish,
guys, that I would remember the title of the book so I could recommend it to
all of you. About a decade ago I read a book on all the idiotic
things man does like building homes on the side of a volcano (Iceland was the
example but Seattle and Portland and Honolulu fit very well), building on
earthquake faults (think most of California, Japan, Alaska) and building towns
that are absolutely going to flood (the example in the book was New
Orleans). This morning on PBS television, This Old House had a
great show on rebuilding homes in Point Pleasant, NJ after that last
hurricane. The thing that caught my eye was that in spite of
global warming and rising seas, the new building code is that homes must be
built on piles above the flood of the last storm
but worry about the next
one. You only have to keep the utilities, power lines, gas lines
above the 2012 sea surge. Are we dumb? (The link isn't
working now
might later.) <BR>> <BR>> <A
href="http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/tv/video/0,,,00.html">http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/tv/video/0,,,00.html</A><BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Nov 9, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Herb
Brannon wrote:<BR>> <BR>>> When John "Teaparty" Kasich became
governor of Ohio he thought the same<BR>>> thing as this guy in
Cincinnati. His very first official act was to "can"<BR>>> the
high-speed passenger rail system in Ohio. The US Govt had approved<BR>>>
money for some of the Ohio rail lines and Kasich publicly stated that
he<BR>>> would be using the money for "other things". Much to his
surprise and<BR>>> enlightenment, the fed just moved the money to the
states of New York and<BR>>> California leaving Kasich to find
"corporate welfare" money elsewhere.<BR>>> <BR>>> On the bright
side, New Orleans has built and placed into revenue service<BR>>> the
new Loyola Avenue line and will begin construction in early 2014 on
the<BR>>> Rampart Street line.<BR>>> <BR>>> One the cloudy
side, why doesn't PATransit try to get money to extend some<BR>>> of the
Pittsburgh lines? The PAT management doesn't seem too interested
in<BR>>> running a good transit system. Service levels are no where near
what they<BR>>> were when I worked at PAT.<BR>>> <BR>>>
<BR>>> On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 12:05 PM, PC <<A
href="mailto:pcc_sr@yahoo.com">pcc_sr@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>>
<BR>>>> The new mayor of Cincinnati won on an anti-trolley platform
didn't he.<BR>>>> The city council is now tipped
anti-trolley.<BR>>>> While contract obligations cloud the picture the
future is definitely in<BR>>>> doubt. The mayor elect has
already<BR>>>> talked to administration officials in DC to use Fed
money for other<BR>>>> projects. The mayor elect has
been<BR>>>> invited to DC to discuss same. Of course this does
not mean approval does<BR>>>> it. The discussions may
be<BR>>>> legal in nature to see if the law would allow for such
changes.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> <<BR>>>> <A
href="http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/whats-next-for-the-cincinnati-streetcar-project">http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/whats-next-for-the-cincinnati-streetcar-project</A><BR>>>>>
<BR>>>> <BR>>>> <<A
href="http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20131105/NEWS0106/311050179">http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20131105/NEWS0106/311050179</A>><BR>>>>
<BR>>>> <<BR>>>> <A
href="http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Cincinnati-s-new-mayor-puts-streetcar-in-doubt-4961243.php">http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Cincinnati-s-new-mayor-puts-streetcar-in-doubt-4961243.php</A><BR>>>>>
<BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>> Ph<BR>>>>
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On Sat, 11/9/13, John Swindler <<A
href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com">j_swindler@hotmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] First Harmony Car
Enters Pittsburg<BR>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
<<BR>>>> <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>>>
Date: Saturday, November 9, 2013, 8:37 AM<BR>>>> <BR>>>>
<BR>>>> FTA is still spending big bucks. Charlotte is
getting<BR>>>> some for light rail extension to Univ. North Carolina
and an<BR>>>> east-west streetcar line. Something seems to be
going<BR>>>> on in Cincinnati, St. Louis and Kenosha, but I just
don't<BR>>>> follow anymore as in years past.<BR>>>>
<BR>>>> Likewise maybe Minneapolis - line to St.Paul.
Might<BR>>>> also want to check New Orleans, Tucson, San
Francisco<BR>>>> central subway, and Los Angeles Pasadena
extension.<BR>>>> Also saw a mention about Norfolk extension to
Virginia<BR>>>> Beach, but might still be in talking/planning
stage.<BR>>>> Atlanta and Miami??? Again, I don't follow as
in<BR>>>> year's past.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Here's a
picture of the blank wall in the North Shore<BR>>>> extension tunnel
for a right turn towards East<BR>>>> St./I-279. The current
north shore alignment curves to<BR>>>> left thru vehicle. The
blank wall to right is for<BR>>>> future extension.<BR>>>>
<BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>>
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<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> -- <BR>>> Herb
Brannon<BR>>> *In Pittsburgh...*<BR>>> *......the Greatest City In
The U.S.*<BR>>> Let's Go Pens<BR>>> Let's Go Steelers<BR>>>
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